Science and Jesus

[ChristineM]

A few countries can be mentioned that have proclaimed themselves atheists during the last years of human history... Have those governments been better?

Very few countries are run on religious lines except those under sharia law, some fundimental fascist countries and right wing dictatorships.

 

[Eli G]

Back to topic: this is what Jesus taught:

Matt. 19:4 In reply he said: “Have you not read that the one who created them from the beginning made them male and female 5 and said: ‘For this reason a man will leave his father and his mother and will stick to his wife, and the two will be one flesh’? 6 So that they are no longer two, but one flesh. Therefore, what God has yoked together, let no man put apart.”

 

[Dimi95]

Russia, very religious country even while Stalin was opening churches
Germany under Hitler, strong protestant country.
Pol Pot ruled Cambodia with his Catholic education and Buddhist religion.

I see where you are going with this

Clearly , they missed "few" verses from the Bible.
I can bark , but can i be a dog?

 

[ChristineM]

Clearly , they missed "few" verses from the Bible.
I can bark , but can i be a dog?

Or interpreted them to suit themselves just as most religious denominations do.

 

[Dimi95]

Or interpreted them to suit themselves just as most religious denominations do.

Fair enough

 

[Eli G]

Many atheist struggle to invent their own "Jesus" also ...

 

[metis]

Since in thousands of years of human history no system of government has brought such conditions upon humanity, I prefer to be more realistic and wait on the promise of our Creator.

Ecl. 8:9 All of this I have seen, and I applied my heart to every work that has been done under the sun, during the time that man has dominated man to his harm.

This is what the God of the Bible, the One Abraham, Moses, Isaiah, Jesus, Paul, believed in, will do for humans:

Rev. 21:3 With that I heard a loud voice from the throne say: “Look! The tent of God is with mankind, and he will reside with them, and they will be his people. And God himself will be with them. 4 And he will wipe out every tear from their eyes, and death will be no more, neither will mourning nor outcry nor pain be anymore. The former things have passed away.”

None of these deals with the topic of this thread.

 

[Eli G]

None of these deals with the topic of this thread.

Thank you.

Back to topic: this is what Jesus taught:

Matt. 19:4 In reply he said: “Have you not read that the one who created them from the beginning made them male and female 5 and said: ‘For this reason a man will leave his father and his mother and will stick to his wife, and the two will be one flesh’? 6 So that they are no longer two, but one flesh. Therefore, what God has yoked together, let no man put apart.”

 

[ChristineM]

Many atheist struggle to invent their own "Jesus" also ...

Sheesh. What a load of ....

 

[metis]

Thank you.

Again, just another diversion.

 

[Dimi95]

Or interpreted them to suit themselves just as most religious denominations do.

That's why :
"Not everyone who says to me 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven..." Matthew

Christianity is not based only on faith.
Faith without deads in nothing as it is explained in James 2:14-26

To some Christ represents grace and truth and to some .. well as you explained.

As Elon Musk once said , there is deep moral wisdom in the teachings of Jesus Christ!

 

[Eli G]

Thanks for your time.
Have a happy day.

 

[ChristineM]

"Not everyone who says to me 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven..." Matthew

There are a lot of them about

Christianity is not based only on faith.
Faith without deads in nothing as it is explained in James 2:14-26

Again there are plenty who talk the talk but don't walk the walk

To some Christ represents grace and truth and to some .. well as you explained.

I guess this is true but i use a different definition of truth.

As Elon Musk once said , there is deep moral wisdom in the teachings of Jesus Christ!

I wouldn't trust Musk to lecture on morality.

 

[Dimi95]

There are a lot of them about

Sure , you can say so.
How many are there that we don't know about?

Again there are plenty who talk the talk but don't walk the walk

Sure , but how does that change the doctrine?

I guess this is true but i use a different definition of truth.

No objection ,but as i remember you said in one reply that you are happy with your definition.
So do i.

I wouldn't trust Musk to lecture on morality.

Just admire how he developed technology , nothing more.

 

[sun rise]

as long as it assumes God was behind it all.

"God is who. Evolution is how" -

 

[ChristineM]

Sure , you can say so.
How many are there that we don't know about?

I've met enough, the reason i am atheist and no longer Christian is because there are enough.

Sure , but how does that change the doctrine?

We are talking of religious people, not doctrine

No objection ,but as i remember you said in one reply that you are happy with your definition.
So do i.

Which is why i no longer contest what i consider to be a false definition, it is accepted as a definition. All i can do is feel sorrow for those who i consider dilute truth

Just admire how he developed technology , nothing more.

He has developed nothing, he paid for clever people to develop technology.

 

[Dimi95]

I've met enough, the reason i am atheist and no longer Christian is because there are enough.

Define how much of enough,but consider the fact that there are 2.5 Christians.

Which is why i no longer contest what i consider to be a false definition, it is accepted as a definition. All i can do is feel sorrow for those who i consider dilute truth

I agree , i feel the same.

 

[ChristineM]

Define how much of enough,but consider the fact that there are 2.5 Christians.

I've not met them all thought of those i have met i would say at least 50% are christian in name only though they play the righteous card whenever it suits them.

Does that mean there are 1.25 billion bad Christians, i have no idea but from what i see on the news there are plenty of bad ones

 

[sun rise]

I've not met them all thought of those i have met i would say at least 50% are christian in name only though they play the righteous card whenever it suits them.

Does that mean there are 1.25 billion bad Christians, i have no idea but from what i see on the news there are plenty of bad ones

I hear an unwritten statement that goes something like: if the religion is true why don't more people who say they believe in it actually follow the message in their lives? To loop back into the thread title: why do so many have trouble with the idea that the Bible can be approached metaphorically and with a focus on the ethical bits?

An approach is psychological. It's hard to give up the certainty of simplistic ideas. And it's painful to look objectively on one's faults and weaknesses. How many can publicly admit "I was wrong" - not many can really admit it to themselves and others without rationalizations and blaming others.

 

[Eli G]

... if the religion is true ...

What does that even mean?