psychoslice
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Yes I can see that you think like me, yea yea.
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Science can say nothing about existence of God
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Rick O'Shez
Irishman bouncing off walls
Yes I can see that you think like me, yea yea.
I think sometimes people take their beliefs far too seriously.
psychoslice
Veteran Member
Yes and this is the reason why we are in so much crap today, we all just think too much, and not feel enough.I think sometimes people take their beliefs far too seriously.
Rick O'Shez
Irishman bouncing off walls
In some cases the problem is the other way round.
psychoslice
Veteran Member
Yes I can see that, feel more than thinking, yes we are a stupid lot aren't we lol.
Rick O'Shez
Irishman bouncing off walls
I think it suits theists quite well, they can make vague claims of "higher knowledge" without ever having to explain themselves.
Rick O'Shez
Irishman bouncing off walls
You are viewing Buddhist practice through an absolutist lens and therefore misunderstanding it. Sunyata negates the kind of absolute you are referring to. Sunyata is incompatible with comforting concepts like "God" and "cosmic consciousness".
That's just how it is, and no amount of woolly syncretism will gloss over this distinction.
Probably another thread, but I think syncretism is rather dubious. It means denying the differences between different traditions or misrepresenting what they say. It also relies on the superficial notion that all spiritual paths head in the same direction, a claim which I think can easily be challenged.
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Unification
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That wasn't my point. Point is, one cannot live off of science alone. Examination of oneself is much different than examination of ones external environment. Someone cannot just pull out the gospel of science to examine their own life. Life is in inner space.
Examining, reflecting on someone's own metaphysical life.
Rick O'Shez
Irishman bouncing off walls
Examination of oneself can be similar to examination of ones external environment. Buddhist insight practice is an example of this.
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leibowde84
Veteran Member
You must be using a different definition for the word "real". Subjective experience has been proven to be unreliable at times. The way we see the world around us is nowhere near perfect, and we are often fooled by our brains ability to adjust what our eyes see. For example, think about the "following eyes" optical illusion, where a concave face appears as if it is watching you when moving past it. In actuality, it is just confusion in the way our eyes our communicating with our brain, and our brain tries to correct it. We cannot trust subjective experience as evidence without verification.
Rick O'Shez
Irishman bouncing off walls
One of the reasons that perception is subjective is because of beliefs and the bias they create.
Unification
Well-Known Member
Wasn't talking about "practice." Was talking about "enlightenment."
Sunyata is all about finding peace, rest, comfort from suffering/lack of contentment. Same goal and path any human being would follow to eliminate suffering and find peace, rest, and comfort. If someone experienced finding rest, peace, and comfort and called it finding "God," or finding "cosmic consciousness," why would this offend you? Why take away the diversity and respect only certain words?
Your idea of syncretism is more centralized on different exoteric practices, traditions. My idea of syncretism is centralized on the enlightened internal. All human beings have that in common.
If it's dubious, you shouldn't worry about mere words such as "God" or "cosmic consciousness." You are denying the differences yourself and misrepresenting what they say.
You're taking mere words far too seriously.
Unification
Well-Known Member
I don't adhere to the common "theist" doctrines... but may I ask why the need for them to explain themselves? Are they being judged or condemned?
leibowde84
Veteran Member
Because, without expanation, it comes across as disrespectful condescension.
Rick O'Shez
Irishman bouncing off walls
It's respecting what the words actually mean instead of twisting the meaning to suit a personal agenda.
I'm not objecting to diversity, I'm objecting to your woolly syncretism.
You are continually trying to impose uniformity on things which are actually quite different, so I would say that you are the one who has a problem with diversity.
Unification
Well-Known Member
Thank you for clarity on my point, it can be but one cannot live off of that alone.
Unification
Well-Known Member
A: "you need to explain yourself.
B: "explained using different words."
A: "now I will condescend and judge you and disrespect all that you explained."
Rick O'Shez
Irishman bouncing off walls
So one cannot live off Buddhist practice alone? Oh well. So much for diversity.
Rick O'Shez
Irishman bouncing off walls
The persons who condescends is the one who makes a claim of superior knowledge and then gets defensive when asked to explain how they came by it. It's a familiar pattern.
Unification
Well-Known Member
If you feel the need to explain meaning... then please describe the meaning of "God" and "cosmic consciousness" to you. If you cannot or won't, then your points are hypocritical. You will say they don't mean the same.... without providing explanation as to how you define the meaning of "God" and "cosmic consciousness."