Rick O'Shez
Irishman bouncing off walls
Your response to me has been defensive and a little aggressive, like "How dare anyone challenge my assumptions!?", so maybe you do feel yourself to be superior.
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Science can say nothing about existence of God
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Your response to me has been defensive and a little aggressive, like "How dare anyone challenge my assumptions!?", so maybe you do feel yourself to be superior.
Unification
Well-Known Member
I object to your wooly divide and wooly dogma.
Lies about traditions, never said such. Was referring to inner experiences, somehow you've transformed that into external traditions.
Every human being experiences internal enlightenment to some degree, some more than others.
I found peace, rest, and comfort.... however did I find such without using any Buddhist tradition or words? Oh no....my peace, rest, and comfort must not be authentic.
Unification
Well-Known Member
I am not superior or inferior to any other human being. I see all as myself.
I certainly don't see Buddhist practice and tradition and certain words only applicable and superior to finding peace, rest, and comfort.
Rick O'Shez
Irishman bouncing off walls
So which inner experiences have you actually had? Sunyata? God? Cosmic consciousness?
What exactly?
Rick O'Shez
Irishman bouncing off walls
I've never said that, so cut the silly straw-men.
Unification
Well-Known Member
I don't know your point... you're yet to show your definitions of God and cosmic consciousness.
In which those definitions would be subjective anyhow.
Unification
Well-Known Member
Correct, I said that "I" certainly don't see.
Rick O'Shez
Irishman bouncing off walls
See posts #509 and #514. It's a straw-man.
Unification
Well-Known Member
The destruction of "wordophobia," what I thought I knew, the destruction of preconceived knowledge, emotions, and thoughts that stripped away a peaceful and equal experience for myself and others. . which led to peace, happiness, rest, comfort, goodness, self realization and awareness, a content and fulfilled life.
Knowing and understanding myself, my nature, and my character through death to my false/ego/animal nature.
Ridding of the abstract garbage within that enslaved me to suffering and inequality with myself and others.
My objective/conscious mind and subjective/subconscious mind working as one in harmony with no harm to myself or others. Realizing that what I do to others, I do to myself. Seeing all others as myself. Seeing no one superior or inferior to myself. Unity, equilibrium, and balance within.
Those words don't matter, nor does having the knowledge of the meaning of the words.... it's the knowing/direct experience that matters for me. . the radical transformation and altering of perception, mind, and heart.
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Ouroboros
Coincidentia oppositorum
"It [Shiva] is the transcendent Reality, the pure Absolute, the supracosmic Infinity. It is itself its own world, its own universe, of any other than itself it can form no concept. It knows not length nor breadth nor height, for it has no experience of them; it has no cognisance even of the number one, for it is itself one and all being is really nothing. How to represent it? Words come out baffled, it defies all definition and description. Yet the humble attempt of human mind to represent it ends in a zero. So it is represented by a zero or Shunya."
H.H.Shri Kumarswamiji, http://www.shivayoga.net/shiva-yoga/idea-of-god-in-veerashaivism/
Funny thing is that the first time I really had this experience of void was when I became an atheist. Facing the infinite, endless, timeless black hole of non-existence/existence felt like having your soul sucked out of you by a dementor from Harry Potter. But it was worth it.
H.H.Shri Kumarswamiji, http://www.shivayoga.net/shiva-yoga/idea-of-god-in-veerashaivism/
Funny thing is that the first time I really had this experience of void was when I became an atheist. Facing the infinite, endless, timeless black hole of non-existence/existence felt like having your soul sucked out of you by a dementor from Harry Potter. But it was worth it.
Ben Dhyan
Veteran Member
Have you realized the state of Sunyata....and if so, what is your subjective description?
Robert.Evans
You will be assimilated; it is His Will.
How on earth is it wrong to say "inexplicable" when trying to explain that is un-explainable. You are speaking, in its most fundamental level, of something that is so different to us, we could not explain it. We can only explain what comes after, not what is before. To say it is a cop-out is plain daft.
Rick O'Shez
Irishman bouncing off walls
The void is awesome but can also be very scary, I suspect that's why many people prefer the comforting familiarity of "God" and other such beliefs.
Ouroboros
Coincidentia oppositorum
Perhaps. Maybe that's the reason for many, personally, it's more of the realization that the term "God" has the same or similar purposes as using terms like GUT. It's a word to reference the ultimate explanation. The explanation to where we came from and why. It's just a word to reference the idea, but the idea is different for most people. So it's a word with many interpretations and meanings. I can't speak for mystics, but I suspect in their case God is a reference to the experience rather than the thing. There's no "thing" to really point to, but the spiritual experiences are beyond words and explanations. There are no other words to explain the experiences, so God is the only thing that is close enough.
Rick O'Shez
Irishman bouncing off walls
I'm not talking about the experiences themselves, rather the beliefs with which people surround them.
Ouroboros
Coincidentia oppositorum
Such as heaven, hell, salvation, angels, and all that? Or the ideas of absolute and/or objective morality.
leibowde84
Veteran Member
If it is inexplicable, it should not be claimed as fact. It is "daft" to assume something is the case with any kind of certainty, when you can't even understand it enough to explain it to others. Until some kind of explanation can be given, it is best to keep it to ones self.
McBell
Unbound
Thus making the claim of "inexplicable" a cop-out when used instead of supporting the claim....
Robert.Evans
You will be assimilated; it is His Will.
What is fact is what comes after, I told you that.
Robert.Evans
You will be assimilated; it is His Will.
Don't be silly. There are lots of things we can't show on this planet, yet you wish to see something greater. You can't even except simple writings in a book. How would you accept the deeper things of God.