How is it that god isn't even made of anything, not even spirit? Makes no sense. He fashioned creation but who fashioned the creator? God is made of something no, god made himself?
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Science can say nothing about existence of God
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How is it that god isn't even made of anything, not even spirit? Makes no sense. He fashioned creation but who fashioned the creator? God is made of something no, god made himself?
Magic Man
Reaper of Conversation
Not exactly accurate. Ultimately science can't say anything about the vague term "god", but it can certainly say a lot about claims made about this "god". For instance, we can test a lot of claims made about Yahweh, like whether prayer "works".
Gjallarhorn
N'yog-Sothep
If he has created something, he has interacted with something. If he has interacted with something, there is possibility of discovering him.
Your god is no longer detached as soon as you tie him to something physical.
sure, i understand the Quranic claim.
You described God of what its NOT. Can you describe God of what IT IS?
Is God not part of "everything"?
paarsurrey
Veteran Member
I give the verses again:
[59:23] He is Allah, and there is no God beside Him, the Knower of the unseen and the seen. He is the Gracious, the Merciful.
[59:24] He is Allah, and there is no God beside Him, the Sovereign, the Holy One, the Source of Peace, the Bestower of Security, the Protector, the Mighty, the Subduer, the Exalted. Holy is Allah far above that which they associate with Him.
[59:25] He is Allah, the Creator, the Maker, the Fashioner. His are the most beautiful names. All that is in the heavens and the earth glorifies Him, and He is the Mighty, the Wise
The Holy Quran Arabic text with Translation in English text and Search Engine - Al Islam Online
The One-True-God has introduced with the name Allah- which stands for all the beautiful attributes He has; some of which have been mentioned and underlined by me.
He is not a thing; He is the Being who has all the good attributes.
Please read the verses again.
Regards
Gjallarhorn
N'yog-Sothep
In other words, you are labeling the sum of all "good" traits "God".
Of course science can say nothing about that. You haven't actually claimed anything.
Of course science can say nothing about that. You haven't actually claimed anything.
paarsurrey
Veteran Member
The One-True-God exists only , outside the dimensions, we could perceive or test.
He has bestowed existence to others as per His plans and others would cease to exist as per His plans.
Regards
Maldini
Active Member
It also can't say a damn thing about flying spaghetti monster, yet I don't see any astronaut taking plates and forks with themselves to space.
McBell
Unbound
What a nice little safety net you have created for yourself.
Anything that has measurable effects on physical reality can be potentially falsified. If God is not a falsifiable claim, then God is irrelevant.
I would be extremely careful in implying that something that is not falsifiable is not relevant. Nearly all of our day to day experiences are functionally non-falsifiable, as are substantial portions of our worldviews, which are philosophical, not empirical. Furthermore, the soft sciences, arts, and humanities all hinge upon the non-falsifiable and I'm very hard-pressed to call any of those irrelevant as well.
Philosophy and aesthetic judgements aren't alternatives to falsifiability; they're applied to falsifiable things... even in the arts and humanities. For instance, we don't try to judge the artistic merit of a painting that some people believe exists but nobody has any evidence for.
Awkward Fingers
Omphaloskeptic
Ah, well that's simple.
Then I absolutely do not believe in your god.
A god that can't be falsified, or shown, that doesn't interact with the world, yet still created everything without interacting with it?
And cares about what I think and do, even though it had no interaction at all with this world?
Let me guess, it USED to interact in some way, but doesn't anymore?
I'll pass, thanks.
Altfish
Veteran Member
If you can't prove the existence of god, then how do you know there is no other god....which again no one can prove the existence of????
Ouroboros
Coincidentia oppositorum
If you can't prove the existence of god, then how do you know there is no other god....which again no one can prove the existence of????
That's an interesting thought. How would someone go about to prove that there's only one God?
Gordian Knot
Being Deviant IS My Art.
Good question! Here's another one. Is there a religion that has but one God? Christianity has God. Jesus, the Son of God, who is also God. Then there is the Holy Spirit - God as well.
Many Christians venerate the Virgin Mary, pray to her for miracles, worship her. She seems to be a Christian God, except no one is allowed to say that. Yet if one looks at how she is worshipped she has all the criteria of being a God. If this were any other religion, she would be considered a God.
That Christians worship one God is pure malarky. There is obviously a pantheon, which they cover up with double talk so that all these separate beings are still one in the same being. Seems to me to be nothing more than playing with words.
Many Christians venerate the Virgin Mary, pray to her for miracles, worship her. She seems to be a Christian God, except no one is allowed to say that. Yet if one looks at how she is worshipped she has all the criteria of being a God. If this were any other religion, she would be considered a God.
That Christians worship one God is pure malarky. There is obviously a pantheon, which they cover up with double talk so that all these separate beings are still one in the same being. Seems to me to be nothing more than playing with words.
Sir Doom
Cooler than most of you
Not all Christians believe in the trinity in this way, though. Nor do all Christians revere or even have saints. Its hard to argue with your assessment of those that do, however. If it looks like a duck and smells as sweet... or something along those lines.
Naturally, that is up to each Christian to decide in their own way.
The Adept
Member
The absence of any evidence of a God speaks volumes.
'...pending the appearance of radical evidence I must be classed, practically and provisionally, as an atheist' - HP Lovecraft.
'...the most preposterous and unjustified of all the guesses which can be made about the universe'
https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/316486-all-i-say-is-that-i-think-it-is-damned