Ben Dhyan
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Where did I mischaracterise it?
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Science cannot solve the final mystery
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Wildswanderer
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No, they usually get them wrong. If they didn't there would be no need for updates.
Ben Dhyan
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It is not a demand.
Subduction Zone
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Sorry, but you have lost the right to make demands. It appears to me that you cannot have an honest discussion. Ask me later if you still don't understand. Otherwise I will be constantly holding your hand correcting kindergarten level mistakes.
Subduction Zone
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This is inaccurate. Science ideas are usually close to being right. When we learn more the ideas are updated.
It is as if a scientist said "To the best of our ability to measure 2 + 2 equals 3.95". While creationists will insist "2 + 2 is 6 here but 1 over there". One could claim that both are wrong, but one is much closer to the right answer than the other.
Ben Dhyan
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I am sorry to see you go, it was fun to engage with you.
Wildswanderer
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Yes, the creationist is closer because his mind isn't closed to possibilities the scientists aren't allowed to include in their figuring.
Subduction Zone
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Not true. Scientists can consider myths and fairy tales. But they are usually easily refuted.
Wildswanderer
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You can't refute something with science that can't be proven or disproven by science.
Please respond to science posted It is peer reviewed scientific publications, and stop avoiding the posts and scientific references.
I have a MS in Geology, Math, Chemistry, and Physics. What are your qualifications?
I have over fifty year teaching, field work in geochemical sciences. I have attended four different universities over the course of over fifty years at 75, and continue to study the sciences and philosophy online. My argument is based on the peer reviewed scientific publication I presented. You have presented only layman references as to the percent of Dark Energy and Matter in the universe nothing more.
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See my last post concerning your scientific qualifications, something is amiss with regards to your understanding of what is being conveyed to you.
You did NOT cite scientific articles concerning the nature of the scientific knowledge of Dark Matter and Energy
Your references were layman references that described the amount of Dark Energy and Matter in our universe, which has absolutely no relationship to the scientific knowledge of Dark Matter and Energy.
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I'm curious now, what are your academic qualifications?
Again and again no one can solve the 'final mystery.'
The question and problem remains. Can anyone solve the ultimate mystery of the universe? Of course science cannot nor has ever claimed solve nor even address the problem of the 'final mystery.' Any speculation from the human perspective remains highly subjective and anecdotal at best.
Still waiting . . .
Ben Dhyan
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Ok, then I am amazed why you do not understand what has been explained to you, it is not rocket science. Science does not understand the 5% of existence it does study, not alone the 95% it is aware of but can't because it is incapable of observing it.
Accept that you may have wasted a lot of precious lifetime in materialistic endeavours associated with the 5%, while with appropriate religious practice, you may have realized the 95%.
Fwiw, I don't have an academic background, my training was space and aerospace with the military, mainly satellite remote sensing and coms. I have spent more of my life has been engaged in religious practice, than in secular pursuits, until now and I am 79 yo.
Ben Dhyan
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You are speaking for yourself, it has already been realized by all those who have.
Ben Dhyan
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I don't have any!
Then it's bizarre that you'd question the credentials of others, isn't it?
Ben Dhyan
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Haha, you think academics have an open mind to apprehend reality with clarity? Quite the contrary as you can witness, most academics cannot see the forest for the trees as their minds are limited to what they believe to be true. Reality is beyond thought, it is on the other side, that is what religious practice is about, to transcend the thinking mind!
Fascinating, so you actually believe that people with more education are less qualified to understand the world.
Yikes, alright then.
Ben Dhyan
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Sort of, the narrower the field of expertise, the more one may understand about it, but it comes at the expense of the larger picture. Religious practice is infinite and timeless in its scope, a totally open mind to apprehend reality, the specialist filters out that which is not in their field of interest, mind in a box closed to that outside of it.