Science has given us this and God has given us what?

[MattersOfTheHeart]

Well we have all heard the statement in one form or fashion, right?

Science has given us medicine, and even the keypad I am typing on right now.
Where as, what we have been given by believing in God, it is often framed as, myth, fairy tales, wishful thinking, wars, dumbing down of our societies, on and on.

Familiar with everyone? I should hope so?

Some have asked of Christians, "What? Would you rather we drop science altogether and just live on what the bible tells us?"

So, I pondered that for a bit. I reasoned that if the promises of the bible are true, namely, that I will live an eternity in bliss, I'd take that everyday over a keyboard and some medicine that will keep me alive a few more days, months or years.

Science will never keep us alive forever, or end suffering, though in many cases has caused tremendous suffering.
It will of course continue to contribute useful things to the world, but when compared to the promises of the bible, the totality of all of sciences best work, still dwarf to eternal blissful life.

What say you?

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

Science can end death by figuring out the genetic cause of aging and deterioration and genetically engineering it to stop. There's also the possibility of "mind uploading". These are very real possibilities.

 

[Gjallarhorn]

God gives comfort and ideas of quick fixes, but such comforts and ideas can be gained elsewhere.

 

[bobhikes]

Well we have all heard the statement in one form or fashion, right?

Science has given us medicine, and even the keypad I am typing on right now.
Where as, what we have been given by believing in God, it is often framed as, myth, fairy tales, wishful thinking, wars, dumbing down of our societies, on and on.

Familiar with everyone? I should hope so?

Some have asked of Christians, "What? Would you rather we drop science altogether and just live on what the bible tells us?"

So, I pondered that for a bit. I reasoned that if the promises of the bible are true, namely, that I will live an eternity in bliss, I'd take that everyday over a keyboard and some medicine that will keep me alive a few more days, months or years.

Science will never keep us alive forever, or end suffering, though in many cases has caused tremendous suffering.
It will of course continue to contribute useful things to the world, but when compared to the promises of the bible, the totality of all of sciences best work, still dwarf to eternal blissful life.

What say you?

Religion has given us community. Religion has kept us together when there was nothing else. Religion will be there to the end.

Every scientific advance comes with a positive and negative. The negatives are starting to mount. We can now destroy all life(not just human) on the world and human life in many ways and in less than a week.

 

[FunctionalAtheist]

Well we have all heard the statement in one form or fashion, right?

Science has given us medicine, and even the keypad I am typing on right now.
Where as, what we have been given by believing in God, it is often framed as, myth, fairy tales, wishful thinking, wars, dumbing down of our societies, on and on.

Familiar with everyone? I should hope so?

Some have asked of Christians, "What? Would you rather we drop science altogether and just live on what the bible tells us?"

So, I pondered that for a bit. I reasoned that if the promises of the bible are true, namely, that I will live an eternity in bliss, I'd take that everyday over a keyboard and some medicine that will keep me alive a few more days, months or years.

Science will never keep us alive forever, or end suffering, though in many cases has caused tremendous suffering.
It will of course continue to contribute useful things to the world, but when compared to the promises of the bible, the totality of all of sciences best work, still dwarf to eternal blissful life.

What say you?

So fill one hand with tangible progress of science, and fill the other with 2000 year old promises?

Given that science has a demonstrated capacity to produce, and religion not only lacks any demonstrable progress, but is infested with logical inconsistances, I believe I'll take the hand that has weight to it.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

So fill one hand with tangible progress of science, and fill the other with 2000 year old promises?

Given that science has a demonstrated capacity to produce, and religion not only lacks any demonstrable progress, but is infested with logical inconsistances, I believe I'll take the hand that has weight to it.

Bingo.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Well we have all heard the statement in one form or fashion, right?

Science has given us medicine, and even the keypad I am typing on right now.
Where as, what we have been given by believing in God, it is often framed as, myth, fairy tales, wishful thinking, wars, dumbing down of our societies, on and on.

Familiar with everyone? I should hope so?

Some have asked of Christians, "What? Would you rather we drop science altogether and just live on what the bible tells us?"

So, I pondered that for a bit. I reasoned that if the promises of the bible are true, namely, that I will live an eternity in bliss, I'd take that everyday over a keyboard and some medicine that will keep me alive a few more days, months or years.

Science will never keep us alive forever, or end suffering, though in many cases has caused tremendous suffering.
It will of course continue to contribute useful things to the world, but when compared to the promises of the bible, the totality of all of sciences best work, still dwarf to eternal blissful life.

What say you?

I think the point of those sorts of comparisons isn't to suggest that the stuff science provides is better than the stuff that religion promises; I think it's to point out that technological advancement is one way that the truth of science is demonstrated, and religion doesn't meet this test.

Here's one way to look at it:

 

[Skwim]

So fill one hand with tangible progress of science, and fill the other with 2000 year old promises?

Given that science has a demonstrated capacity to produce, and religion not only lacks any demonstrable progress, but is infested with logical inconsistances, I believe I'll take the hand that has weight to it.

Yup.

 

[bobhikes]

Science can end death by figuring out the genetic cause of aging and deterioration and genetically engineering it to stop. There's also the possibility of "mind uploading". These are very real possibilities.

People that want to live forever scare me.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

People that want to live forever scare me.

Okay, and?

 

[Gjallarhorn]

Okay, and?

I like cheese.

 

[Quagmire]

"Science has given us this and God has given us what?"

Science?

 

[bobhikes]

So fill one hand with tangible progress of science, and fill the other with 2000 year old promises?

Given that science has a demonstrated capacity to produce, and religion not only lacks any demonstrable progress, but is infested with logical inconsistances, I believe I'll take the hand that has weight to it.

Science can produce, destroy, create and kill. It is a two edged sword not just one as most would like us to believe.

I actually argued somewhere else that today we have a harder life than the caveman because of all the so called better advances. It was a tie in the end no clear winner.

 

[MattersOfTheHeart]

Science can end death by figuring out the genetic cause of aging and deterioration and genetically engineering it to stop. There's also the possibility of "mind uploading". These are very real possibilities.

So live forever with human beings that are still morally separated from one another or live forever with perfect beings. I'll take the latter

God gives comfort and ideas of quick fixes, but such comforts and ideas can be gained elsewhere.

What else offers an eternal blissful life where I remain who I am?

Religion has given us community. Religion has kept us together when there was nothing else. Religion will be there to the end.

Every scientific advance comes with a positive and negative. The negatives are starting to mount. We can now destroy all life(not just human) on the world and human life in many ways and in less than a week.

Don't think I can disagree

So fill one hand with tangible progress of science, and fill the other with 2000 year old promises?

Given that science has a demonstrated capacity to produce, and religion not only lacks any demonstrable progress, but is infested with logical inconsistances, I believe I'll take the hand that has weight to it.

One promise in particular, eternal blissful life. Which again overshadows anything science has currently offered.

I think the point of those sorts of comparisons isn't to suggest that the stuff science provides is better than the stuff that religion promises; I think it's to point out that technological advancement is one way that the truth of science is demonstrated, and religion doesn't meet this test.

Here's one way to look at it:

Nice post for sure, I mean it is informative. Does it inspire me to think the promise of eternal blissful life, and the pursuit of that life should take a back seat to peddling inventions and creating the next MRI? Nah, not for me... I mean if I have time to do that, without losing my soul and heart that makes me who I am, I may contribute just to pass the time by, but by and large people are just lame, and the more you get around, the more lamer they become.
Though it is quite delightful to find that rare soul that is open to ponder grander things, than the squandering that makes up our world. As cool as a world it is, there are much cooler things in my head

Yup.

Nope

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

So live forever with human beings that are still morally separated from one another or live forever with perfect beings. I'll take the latter

Perfection is a lie. It's so subjective that it's a meaningless concept.

 

[Willamena]

Well we have all heard the statement in one form or fashion, right?

Science has given us medicine, and even the keypad I am typing on right now.
Where as, what we have been given by believing in God, it is often framed as, myth, fairy tales, wishful thinking, wars, dumbing down of our societies, on and on.

Familiar with everyone? I should hope so?

Some have asked of Christians, "What? Would you rather we drop science altogether and just live on what the bible tells us?"

So, I pondered that for a bit. I reasoned that if the promises of the bible are true, namely, that I will live an eternity in bliss, I'd take that everyday over a keyboard and some medicine that will keep me alive a few more days, months or years.

Science will never keep us alive forever, or end suffering, though in many cases has caused tremendous suffering.
It will of course continue to contribute useful things to the world, but when compared to the promises of the bible, the totality of all of sciences best work, still dwarf to eternal blissful life.

What say you?

So god's only as good as what he's useful for?

 

[Quagmire]

So god's only as good as what he's useful for?

Well sure. Do you know how many other people want His job?

 

[MattersOfTheHeart]

"Science has given us this and God has given us what?"

Science?

Maybe! Or perhaps no. Science is just an endeavor of ours to make sense of the world around us. In some circles this includes a higher being, and in others not so much.
I think I have more of a problem with people than I do science, after all I am typing on a really cool keypad!

 

[Quagmire]

Maybe! Or perhaps no. Science is just an endeavor of ours to make sense of the world around us. In some circles this includes a higher being, and in others not so much.
I think I have more of a problem with people than I do science, after all I am typing on a really cool keypad!

Wow, and you still don't believe in God? D)

 

[MattersOfTheHeart]

Perfection is a lie. It's so subjective that it's a meaningless concept.

I suppose absolute truths are a lie as well? If so, does the statement "perfection is a lie" still hold true?

So god's only as good as what he's useful for?

Absolutely! At least from our perspective. I imagine from God's perspective, he's perfectly content.

Well sure. Do you know how many other people want His job?

Yeah, I suppose you're right, many think they could actually do God's job. Impossible, but then again, there are those that think they are a bar of soap.