MattersOfTheHeart
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Pfft... I'm the one true believer! :areyoucraWow, and you still don't believe in God?D)
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Science has given us this and God has given us what?
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Absolute truths are a lie, as well. Universality doesn't exist.
Gjallarhorn
N'yog-Sothep
Well, ignoring your identity clause (which would cease to make sense in both an eternal and strictly blissful existence), various surgeries can produce these results.
But I believe what you're asking for falls under "ideas of quick fixes".
MattersOfTheHeart
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Ummm, you can't make an absolute statement like that "absolutes are a lie" emphatically like, and not destroy your own argument.
Slow down and think about that for a minute... Pwetty please with sugar on top.
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MattersOfTheHeart
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You're confusing me
:sorry1:
Blame the short-comings of language. That still doesn't mean universality exists.
MattersOfTheHeart
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Hmm, it would address my issue of being around other people, and only allow those like myself in it...
Interesting!
MattersOfTheHeart
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Shame shame, you didn't think about it did you?
You made two absolute statements, and then proceeded to tell me, my absolutes are simply subjective.
You'll never get out of the rabbit hole like that Alice.
Surely there are better reasons to have a god.
Instead of nitpicking over language and thereby deflecting from the matter at hand, why don't you convince me that absolute truths exist?
MattersOfTheHeart
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I'm off to see Lego the Movie, and enjoy some more of the many wonderful things I'll give science credit for, but being conflicted at the same time, because I wanna give God the credit for from what I hear is such a fantastic movie!
MattersOfTheHeart
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For those that have not yet chucked their pride to the side, you're right there are, like world peace, or better lasting chewing gum, or a bigger set of boobies, etc...
However when all that is past and no longer fulfilling, we will want simply eternity filled with bliss.
Now bliss, is what all those little things filled us with at first, but since they aren't God, they are destined to let us down, hence when we drop the pride, we admit we just want God and God forever inside our crevasses and tingling our souls
That isn't what this thread is about, and I am sorry if you have confounded yourself in a matter of moments.
You are the one that said there are no absolutes etc... Thereby busting your own stance. Sorry I can not please your desire to know all that I do tonight my love.
Well, according to some only slightly drunken scholars, the word "legos" appears in several places in the Bible.
John1:1 "In the beginning was the Legos . . ."
If God went on to build everything from there, how does that not make sense?
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You know exactly what I'm saying and you have done nothing to change my mind. I see no reason to believe in absolutism. Relativism stands.
MattersOfTheHeart
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MattersOfTheHeart
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You are the one making definitive statements and not allowing others to do the same.
Jokes, aside for a moment. This logic is more powerful than it gets credit for. You want to cast it aside and say it is a word game or play on language, but it really isn't. It is a paradox, no one wants to look at.
I simply stated I prefer to live my life on the hope of eternal bliss, and that I place that far far above anything science has done for me.
You then proceed to tell me perfection is a lie and not real etc... I then, simply pointed out how statements like that are meaningless, and anyone decently honest with themselves will pause to consider that, and adjust their reasoning.
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I'm simply floored.
John1:1 "In the beginning was the Legos . . ."
If God went on to build everything from there, how does that not make sense?
It would explain all this "interconnected" business too. :yes:
And if you take it a step further, we can resolve the whole conflict between religion and science:
Science talks about the building blocks of the material world.
The Bible talks about legos.
There ya go. Now we can all find something else to argue about.
What I am saying is that those things are subjective. What is perfection? That concept doesn't mean anything to me. Absolute truth? How do you know? It's subjective.
I would be careful to attribute what science and God has given to us in this way. Science hasn't given us anything actually---it has only exposed ways to manipulate energy and elements for our temporal convenience (at potentially the expense of other longer term objectives, e.g. global warming). The raw materials, for example energy, matter, etc., cannot be produced by science (Conservation of Energy, Law of Thermodynamics, etc..). The fact that natural laws are so consistent, is in my opinion, a fundamental reason to accept there must be a Designer. It's unlikely this order arose from random combinations---if you do the math the probability of this happening is infinitesimal---even though theoretically one can argue this to death.
It's like putting a child in a sandbox and establishing rules, boundaries, laws. The child can experiment and learn how to play with sand, build castles and whatnot, but fundamentally, the sandbox was given.
An observant student of history would notice that no matter what comforts we have, the suffering in the world does not decrease, nor are we able to obtain our very innate desire, to exist eternally, blissfully in love.
When one realizes the futility of the sandbox---stops seeking the pleasures of flesh and senses---and instead seeks the kingdom of God, I believe, then, we find that place, the True world, that we strive for. For the critics, who claim this is just wishful thinking, I would like to point to the many saints and divine personalities who have seen the Truth and explain it to us out of pure mercy. To deny the veracity of their truths, appears to me as intellectual arrogance, or perhaps wishful thinking just the same.