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science in Islam

Qabandi

Member
Hello everyone , i hope im not breaking any rules , but i like to show people some science that are in the Holy Qu'Ran and if anyone has a comment please post , thank you.
http://www.miraclesofthequran.com/scientific_index.html

By the way , the ranslation of the rich text of arabic is not %100 accurate but still good innuf to be understood and misunderstanded.
Note: all is copy paste :)



THE EXPANSION OF THE UNIVERSE

Edwin Hubble with his giant telescope


In the Qur'an, which was revealed fourteen centuries ago at a time when the science of astronomy was still primitive, the expansion of the universe was described in the following terms:



And it is We Who have constructed the heaven with might, and verily, it is We Who are steadily expanding it. (Qur'an, 51:47)





The word "heaven," as stated in the verse above, is used in various places in the Qur'an. It is referring to space and the wider universe. Here again, the word is used with this meaning, stating that the universe "expands." The Arabic word "moosiaaoona" in the term "inna lamoosiaaoona," translated into English as "it is We Who are steadily expanding it", comes from the verb "evsea," meaning "to expand." The prefix "la" emphasises the following name or title and adds a sense of "to a great extent." This expression therefore means "We expand the sky or the universe to a great extent." This is the very conclusion that science has reached today. 1




Georges Lemaitre


Until the dawn of the 20th century, the only view prevailing in the world of science was that "the universe has a constant nature and it has existed since infinite time." However, modern research, observations, and calculations carried out by means of modern technology have revealed that the universe in fact had a beginning and that it constantly "expands."

At the beginning of the 20th century, the Russian physicist Alexander Friedmann and the Belgian cosmologist Georges Lemaitre theoretically calculated that the universe is in constant motion and that it is expanding.

From the moment of the Big Bang, the universe has been constantly expanding at a great speed. Scientists compare the expanding universe to the surface of a balloon that is inflated.

This notion was confirmed by the use of observational data in 1929. While observing the sky with a telescope, Edwin Hubble, the American astronomer, discovered that the stars and galaxies were constantly moving away from each other. This discovery is regarded as one of the greatest in the history of astronomy. During these observations, Hubble established that the stars emit a light that turns redder according to their distance. That is because according to the known laws of physics, light heading towards a point of observation turns violet, and light moving away from that point assumes a more reddish hue. During his observations, Hubble noted a tendency towards the colour red in the light emitted by stars. In short, the stars were moving further and further away, all the time. The stars and galaxies were not only moving away from us, but also from each other. A universe where everything constantly moves away from everything else implied a constantly expanding universe. The observations carried out in the following years verified that the universe is constantly expanding.

In order to gain a clearer understanding of this, let us imagine the universe to be the surface of a balloon being inflated. In the same way that the more the balloon is inflated, the further away the points on its surface move from one another, celestial bodies also move away from one another as the universe expands. This was theoretically discovered by Albert Einstein, regarded as one of the greatest scientists of the 20th century. However, in order to avoid violating the "static universe model" that was generally accepted at that time, Einstein laid that discovery aside. He would later describe this as the greatest blunder of his life. 2

This fact was explained in the Qur'an in a time when telescopes and similar technological advancements were not even close to being invented. This is because the Qur'an is the Word of Allah: the Creator and Ruler of the entire universe.

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PORK AND ITS HARMFUL EFFECTS ON HEALTH



He has only forbidden you carrion, blood and pork and what has been consecrated to other than Allah. But anyone who is forced to eat it-without desiring it or going to excess in it-commits no crime. Allah is Ever-Forgiving, Most Merciful. (Qur'an, 2:173)





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Eating pork is harmful to health in a great many regards. This harm still persists today, despite all the precautions that are taken. First and foremost, no matter how clean the farms and environments on which it is raised may be, the pig is not by nature a clean-living animal. It often plays in, and even eats, its own excrement. Due to this and its biological structure, the pig produces much higher levels of antibodies in its body than other animals. In addition, far higher levels of growth hormone are produced in the pig compared to those in other animals and human beings. Naturally, these high levels of antibodies and growth hormone pass across to and collect in the pig's muscle tissue. Pork meat also contains high levels of cholesterol and lipids. It has been scientifically proven that these significant amounts of antibodies, hormones, cholesterol and lipids in pork represent a serious threat to human health.



The existence of above-average numbers of obese individuals in the populations of countries such as the USA and Germany, in which large quantities of pork are consumed, is now well-known. When exposed to excessive quantities of growth hormone as a result of a pork-based diet, the human body first puts on excessive weight and then suffers physical deformations.

Another harmful substance in pork is the "trichina" worm. This is frequently found in pork and when it enters the human body, it settles directly in the muscles of the heart and represents a possibly fatal threat. Even though it is now technically possible to identify pigs that are infected with trichina, no such methods were known in earlier centuries. That means that everyone who ate pork risked infection by trichina and possible death.

All these reasons are just a part of the wisdom in our Lord's prohibition on the consumption of pork. Moreover, this commandment of our Lord's provides complete protection from the harmful effects of pork under any conditions.

Until the 20th century, it was impossible to be aware of the danger posed to human health by pork. The fact that the Qur'an, revealed fourteen centuries ago, warns against this harm which has been incontrovertibly revealed with modern medical equipment and biological tests, is one of the miracles demonstrating that the Qur'an is the revelation of Allah, the Omniscient. Despite all the precautionary measures and inspections that take place in modern-day pig rearing, the fact that pork is physiologically incompatible with the human body and is a variety of meat harmful to human health has not altered.

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The first words that God sent to Mohhamed [ Peace be apon him ] wher in arabic wich were ,[surat 96. /Al-Alaq]Iqra , bisme rabika alethee khalaq , khaleqa al ensan min alaq ] so it means [ Recite! In the Name of your Lord Who has created (all that existes ) , He has created man from a clot ( a piece of thick coagulated blood )

so in my nolage of arabic [ Alaq ] is anything that sticks for example a leech , And of what i know is that when the sperm gets to the egg and one of them gets into the womans egg the egg goes somwere down alittle , near the womans vigina and becomes like a clot and sticks by it self , that really amazed me , becouse how could a man 1426 years aggo know this.

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Subhana Allah.

i hope everyone enjoyes this topic , please visit http://www.miraclesofthequran.com/
For more , im not really advertising i just cant post all of the science in the quran in one topic. o well thanks!
 

Qabandi

Member
THE EXISTENCE OF MICROSCOPIC LIFE

Glory be to Him Who created all the pairs: from what the earth produces and from themselves and from things unknown to them. (Qur'an, 36:36)


… And He creates other things you do not know. (Qur'an, 16:8)


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The above verses indicate the existence of life forms unknown to people at the time of the revelation of the Qur'an. Indeed, with the discovery of the microscope, new living things too small to be seen with the naked eye have also been discovered by man. People have therefore begun to learn about the existence of these life forms, indicated in the Qur'an. Other verses which point to the existence of micro-organisms, which are invisible to the naked eye and generally consist of a single cell, read:




… He is the Knower of the Unseen, Whom not even the weight of the smallest particle eludes, either in the heavens or in the earth; nor is there anything smaller or larger than that which is not in a Clear Book. (Qur'an, 34:3)


… Not even the smallest speck eludes your Lord, either on earth or in heaven. Nor is there anything smaller than that, or larger, which is not in a Clear Book. (Qur'an, 10:61)


There are 20 times more members of this secret world, which is spread all over the planet, micro-organisms in other words, than there are animals on Earth. These micro-organisms, invisible to the naked eye, comprise bacteria, viruses, fungi, algae and Acarina (mites and ticks). They also constitute an important element in the balance of life on Earth. For example, the nitrogen cycle, one of the fundamental components of the formation of life on Earth, is made possible by bacteria. Root fungi are the most important element in plants being able to take up minerals from the soil. The bacteria on our tongues prevent us being poisoned by food containing nitrates, such as salad stuffs and meat. At the same time, certain bacteria and algae possess the ability to make photosynthesis, the fundamental element in life on Earth, and share that task with plants. Some members of the Acarina family decompose organic substances and turn them into foodstuffs suitable for plants. As we have seen, these tiny life forms, about which we have only learned with modern technological equipment, are essential to human life.




Fourteen centuries ago, the Qur'an indicated the existence of living things beyond those which can be seen with the naked eye. This is another spectacular miracle contained within the verses of the Qur'an.

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JerryL

Well-Known Member
Most of these are a stretch, and sheep (which are sacrificed and eaten in the Quran) are potentially more harmful, as they can have pryon disorders ("mad sheep desiese"), as can cows.

That said, a problem food animal (such as a pig) became apparent to the Jews after a few thousand years of watching habits, and so was proscribed. Since Islam is based on Judaism...

There's a real danger to taking the occasional poetic verse and pretending it's a factual claim. The Bible too speaks of teh heavens being spread out and the stars in motion... it also speaks of the pillars holding up the Earth, the water above the stars, and the corners of the Earth.
 

Ryan2065

Well-Known Member
And it is We Who have constructed the heaven with might, and verily, it is We Who are steadily expanding it. (Qur'an, 51:47)
What does "with might" mean. I'd rather look at a translation of this before we knew about space expansion. Cause I'm sure the meaning has been twisted around so many times the actual meaning was more than likely lost.

He has only forbidden you carrion, blood and pork and what has been consecrated to other than Allah. But anyone who is forced to eat it-without desiring it or going to excess in it-commits no crime. Allah is Ever-Forgiving, Most Merciful. (Qur'an, 2:173)
Yea pork is bad for you, but this doesnt say dont eat pork because it is bad for you. And towards the end of this sentence it even says that nothing will happen to you if you eat the pork.. I'd say this statement was disproven.
,[surat 96. /Al-Alaq]Iqra , bisme rabika alethee khalaq , khaleqa al ensan min alaq ] so it means [ Recite! In the Name of your Lord Who has created (all that existes ) , He has created man from a clot ( a piece of thick coagulated blood )
Or this could be in reference to the creation story. Don't you believe in the adam and eve story? (sorry if I'm wrong, I went to catholic school so our world religions course was seriously lacking) In the adam and even story god makes adam from a lump of clay. Clot literally means "lump of clay"

Glory be to Him Who created all the pairs: from what the earth produces and from themselves and from things unknown to them. (Qur'an, 36:36)


… And He creates other things you do not know. (Qur'an, 16:8)
This says that there are things "unknown" to us. Well you also believe that humans cannot know everything right? So isn't this an obvious conclusion to make? If one cannot know everything, something must be unknown. =)

… He is the Knower of the Unseen, Whom not even the weight of the smallest particle eludes, either in the heavens or in the earth; nor is there anything smaller or larger than that which is not in a Clear Book. (Qur'an, 34:3)


… Not even the smallest speck eludes your Lord, either on earth or in heaven. Nor is there anything smaller than that, or larger, which is not in a Clear Book. (Qur'an, 10:61)
Im sorry, but this is logically flawed to think that it talks about micro organisms. Even in the times of cavemen they knew about a smallest particle. Everyone knows that a smallest particle exists... If one particle exists, logically you can say that a smallest and largest particle exists.
 

Qabandi

Member
Well there are tons of translations but its very hard to actully translate arabic a rich text to simple english , but the Qu'Ran was never changed its memorised by 2 million people all over the world , and that was some years aggo , so its imposible that the information was added or something , and yes i have no doubt that the bible has science in it , but i also saw some flaws in it , and every muslim beleaves in the Qu'Ran and the books that God sent befour the Qu'ran, wich includes jewdism and the bible , but when i say [ beleave ] i dont meant beleaving in them but beleaving that God did send others befour the Qu'ran.

I carefully read the replies i got after i eat my lounch , be right back.
 

basem

Member
Well Ryan, no one have changed a single letter of the Qur'an because its impossible, at the minute one of use read the quran we can know it has been changed or something like that....there are lots of people can read the whole book of there heart.

Eating pork is bad and if it is bad then its harmful and by the time it will kill you.

But talking about Science why don't you visit this little site and read you might learn something and i am waiting for your replies or questions.

the site is http://read2learn.tk/

Regards
 

JerryL

Well-Known Member
Well Ryan, no one have changed a single letter of the Qur'an because its impossible, at the minute one of use read the quran we can know it has been changed or something like that....there are lots of people can read the whole book of there heart.
Really? Cause I scribbled some notes in mine that seem to have changed several letters.

Eating pork is bad and if it is bad then its harmful and by the time it will kill you.
Huh? Are you asserting that everyone who has eaten pork died because of it?

But talking about Science why don't you visit this little site and read you might learn something and i am waiting for your replies or questions.
You've had them and pretty much ignored them.
 

basem

Member
Jerry, no one have changed a single letter of the quran but in english of course you will have differnet words but the meaning is the same, but in Arabic never changed a single letter.

Eating pork will kill you yes and you don't have to believe that.

You don't have to read the articles because i am adding a movie instead of articles because people don't read these days.
 

JerryL

Well-Known Member
Jerry, no one have changed a single letter of the quran but in english of course you will have differnet words but the meaning is the same, but in Arabic never changed a single letter.
Well, except those people with the wrong version that caused Abu Baker to get it written down in the first place... and the one I scribbled in the notes of.

Eating pork will kill you yes and you don't have to believe that.
Drinking water will kil you.

You don't have to read the articles because i am adding a movie instead of articles because people don't read these days.
Yes, no one on this discussion board has ever read or written anything.
 

Ryan2065

Well-Known Member
basem said:
But talking about Science why don't you visit this little site and read you might learn something and i am waiting for your replies or questions.
I went to your site and it is quite huge... anything in particular you want me to read? Hopefully something that would have something to do with the topic of this thread, namely science in Islam
 

basem

Member
Ok so you think that quran have been changed ok but you are wrong and if you dont want to believe its your problem not mine but before you say stuff about Abu Baker or quran read more and understand.
 

Qabandi

Member
Lol , well yes if you drink water like an animal and evin after your full you still eat it you will die but who does that ? i heard a story about a teenager who his buddies dared him to eat 50 or something glasses of water he died offcource , but who would drink 50 glasses , anyway pork is difrent its should i say random ? somtimes you die from it sometimes you dont , then why take a chance , same thing with alcohol Mohhamed PeaceBeAponHim and the Qu'Ran made over a billion muslims tuday not drink alcohol , sure its harmless if you drink it here and there , not too much , but also you can get addicted to it and will lead to you killing somone while driving or doing and saying stuff you cant controll , and thats when your drunk , everyday atleast 1 dies from alcohol i dont know the usual number but all i know atleast 1 dies a dayfrom alcohol , so why would Mohhamed PBUH make up such a rule ? so if you think youll see that Mohhamed PBUH didint just right or make up the Qu'Ran just like , and if the QURan has ANY flaw at all i challenge everyone to bring me one verse that doesent mix with the other , Ill asure you , you would rather misunderstand the translation or dont have a point lol.

So lets leave the hole pork thing and come to alcohol as in [ why would Mohhamed peace be upon him forbid alcohol ] and why didint Jesus Peace be upon him . coes we all can see that the alcohol is bad .
 

Ryan2065

Well-Known Member
why not stick with the pork thing? I have never heard that there is more risk in dropping dead from pork than there is from any other food? It all has to do with being prepared right. You make it sound like if you eat pork you have a chance to just drop dead.... this is not the case.
 

JerryL

Well-Known Member
Ok so you think that quran have been changed ok but you are wrong and if you dont want to believe its your problem not mine but before you say stuff about Abu Baker or quran read more and understand.
Ok, so you think the quran have not been changed ok but you are wrong and if you dont want to believe its your problem not mine but before you say stuff about Abu Baker or quran read more and understand.

Ryan said:
why not stick with the pork thing? I have never heard that there is more risk in dropping dead from pork than there is from any other food?
You've answered your own question. He's not sticking to the pork thing because he has a lot of rhetoric that he's been trained to say, or picked up from a website, but no real knowledge to back it up. I've seen it more than once and from more than one religion.
 

Qabandi

Member
??? When did i say "drop dead" Theres a virus or somkind of thing you get from eating pork , my moms friends in poland died becouse she ate pork , so ALLOT of people died by eating pork , and how many people die from drinking too much water? what 1 each century? and im not including drowning lol .

And i didint read the hole site fatmop gave me , but from what i think your trying to say is that pork can be cured from this , but the cure wasent there 1400 years aggo , and i dont think its really 100% guarantee.

and i never sayd who ever eats pork will drop dead just liek that , no , ive ate pork by accsident in my mothers side of the family dinner , and thank God i didint get any sick , so pork is like alcohol some people say its ok i can controll and not be drunk , and then when the bad day comes the guy or girl drinks untill dies or gets drunk and kills others , so its better just not to drink at all , wouldent you think ?
 

JerryL

Well-Known Member
Theres a virus or somkind of thing you get from eating pork , my moms friends in poland died becouse she ate pork , so ALLOT of people died by eating pork
Name it. (and I assume you mean there's one that can be present in pig, the disctinction is important)
and how many people die from drinking too much water?
From things in the water (like thinks in the pork)? Millions have died from drinking water.

Simply from the act of drinking water, regardless of the purity of the water? Many. My father is prone to that because of a congestive heart problem.

and i never sayd who ever eats pork will drop dead just liek that , no , ive ate pork by accsident in my mothers side of the family dinner , and thank God i didint get any sick , so pork is like alcohol some people say its ok i can controll and not be drunk , and then when the bad day comes the guy or girl drinks untill dies or gets drunk and kills others , so its better just not to drink at all , wouldent you think ?
I'm trying to find the effect of "driving under the influcence of pork".

No. Pork is like beef. And you probably eat beef.
 

Fatmop

Active Member
And i didint read the hole site fatmop gave me , but from what i think your trying to say is that pork can be cured from this , but the cure wasent there 1400 years aggo , and i dont think its really 100% guarantee.
I think what I'm trying to say is that you have no idea what is actually in pork that can make people sick. This particular bacterium that I have directed you towards causes sever food poisoning, but it is not just found in pork (and it is not found in all pork, and cooking the pork well kills it). This bacterium is also in raw eggs, for example. Are you going to stop eating eggs? Honestly, there is little to no scientific reason not to eat pork any less than anything else you eat.
 
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