Science IS religion

[Bob the Unbeliever]

And to think there are two of these type arrogant all knowing personalities posting at the same time. They are not here to exchange ideas or to learn from others. They are only hear to preach their beliefs with no care of other peoples beliefs. They have no understanding of how the bible came about and twist the words around to suit their needs no matter how absurd it is. They feel it is gods mission to harass anyone who does not believe exactly the way they do. I have met too many of them in my life time and the are so fanatical it can only be concluded that they are afraid of what the truth about our world is so they can never accept anything that contradicts what they believe in. So the keep on posting false information as they preach their belief. Empty words. Appreciate your posts.

Thanks!

I have to struggle to remember, that they are not representative of all theists. It's not easy for me-- as I was raised up in this exact same cult-like environment. I was told over and over, "the bible is literally true-- and if you don't believe that, you are GONNA HELL". And worse.

There are people of faith, who are not like these. I am grateful to those theists who are, and who also comment on RF.

 

[dad]

Not even close, Sunshine. Alas... you demonstrate, again, that you have no clue about Science, or anything scientific.

*sigh*

Bang on actually. If you are unaware of dating techniques and basis do not try to mask it with deception.

 

[dad]

Nope. Science can definitively prove that Noah Legend is 100% myth.

Your list of reasons why there was no flood was decimated item by item. So you post frothy nothings.

It can also prove that Adam & Eve is 100% myth-- principally because humans never descended from a single breeding pair-- DNA proves this beyond any doubt.

DNA is a feature of this nature as far as we know regarding mankind. Pretending it relates to Adam is self deception.

False-- Science has no real origin claims

It claims man and the universe got here certain ways actually.


GONG!!!

 

[gnostic]

The bread God gave in the desert is not bread science today can deny or confirm. The fact that beliefs are part of origin claims can be verified.

Oh, good grief.

You stated that your belief cannot “deny”, nor “confirm” God can make bread, and yet you say belief “can be verified”, when they (“confirm” and “verify”) precisely mean the same things. You have contradicted your belief with words “can”, “deny”, “confirm”, “fact” and “verified”.

You really are sillily ignorant with your choice of words where you have contradicted yourself in 2 sentences.

But if you think you have the “fact” about your belief in which you can “verified”, then please, by all mean provide those evidences to your fact.

Show your evidences, dad, because you did put the “burden of proof” upon yourself, when you wrote this:

“The fact that beliefs are part of origin claims can be verified.”​

Show your evidences, since you think you have your “fact” in your belief that your god made bread and sent them to Elijah via ravens.

Either you have the fact or you don’t.

Or are you going to make evasive excuses or run away?

 

[Bob the Unbeliever]

Bang on actually. If you are unaware of dating techniques and basis do not try to mask it with deception.

"dating techniques"? Why on EARTH would I want to know about Christian Mingle? It's Snap-Chat for Christians to get some nookie.

Or were you vainly attempting to discredit Uranium dating techniques?

 

[Bob the Unbeliever]

Your list of reasons why there was no flood was decimated item by item. So you post frothy nothings..

I destroyed your flood myth. DNA proves to 100% that there was NOT 8 people from whom all humans came, 4000 or so years back.

BOOM! Noah is MYTH.

DNA is a feature of this nature as far as we know regarding mankind. Pretending it relates to Adam is self deception.
.

BOOM! DNA proves Adam never existed. Good!

 

[dad]

I destroyed your flood myth. DNA proves to 100% that there was NOT 8 people from whom all humans came, 4000 or so years back.

Prove the laws and nature were the same around the KT layer or you may not use present DNA.


Gong.

 

[dad]

"dating techniques"? Why on EARTH would I want to know about Christian Mingle? It's Snap-Chat for Christians to get some nookie.

Or were you vainly attempting to discredit Uranium dating techniques?

Radioactive decay is a feature of this nature. Prove this nature existed around the KT layer or you are misreading isotope patterns based on beliefs you cannot support!

 

[dad]

Oh, good grief.

You stated that your belief cannot “deny”, nor “confirm” God can make bread, and yet you say belief “can be verified”, when they (“confirm” and “verify”) precisely mean the same things.

Read again. I said science (YOUR belief) cannot deny or confirm.

You have contradicted your belief with words “can”, “deny”, “confirm”, “fact” and “verified”.

See above, the thread is about origin sciences beliefs. THEY cannot confirm or deny much about the bible or past.
Try reading for comprehension.

But if you think you have the “fact” about your belief in which you can “verified”, then please, by all mean provide those evidences to your fact.

Science cannot confirm or deny. All confirmation is from other sources. Your religion has no confirmation whatsoever.

Show your evidences, dad, because you did put the “burden of proof” upon yourself, when you wrote this:

“The fact that beliefs are part of origin claims can be verified.”​

Right. Using a few examples like radioactive dating and continental drift, a same nature is assumed by science. That is easily verifiable that they use that basis for models.

Science then cannot deny or confirm miracles, it is too small.

 

[Bob the Unbeliever]

Prove the laws and nature were the same around the KT layer or you may not use present DNA.


Gong.

LMAO! You first, god-robot-- prove your "god" is real.

I'll await your "proof" and use the same method YOU use.

 

[Bob the Unbeliever]

Radioactive decay is a feature of this nature. Prove this nature existed around the KT layer or you are misreading isotope patterns based on beliefs you cannot support!

Magic. Gotcha. You think MAGIC is REAL.

You think the Universe was created Last Thursday. Gotcha.

Sad.

 

[Bear Wild]

LMAO! You first, god-robot-- prove your "god" is real.

I'll await your "proof" and use the same method YOU use.

He cant that why he is afraid of the theory of evolution. There is actual evidence for evolution and none for his beliefs. His only option it to keep posting inaccurate statements to try and overwhelm everyone. Trump does this all of the time.

 

[dad]

LMAO! You first, god-robot-- prove your "god" is real.

I'll await your "proof" and use the same method YOU use.

Forget other beliefs. Claims offered AS science must be supported here.

As the thread OP points out you have religion and not actual science for origins issues and you cannot support your beliefs.

 

[dad]

Magic. Gotcha. You think MAGIC is REAL.

You think the Universe was created Last Thursday. Gotcha.

Sad.

You cannot prove a nature that was the same in the early days of earth. Your claims then are religious twaddle. Yes there was a past recorded in the bible since creation. No, that past was not like today in nature.

 

[dad]

He cant that why he is afraid of the theory of evolution. There is actual evidence for evolution and none for his beliefs. His only option it to keep posting inaccurate statements to try and overwhelm everyone. Trump does this all of the time.

I can see why you allude to non existent evidence for your beliefs and pat another defeated poster on the back in a morale boast attempt. Pathetic.

 

[ImmortalFlame]

No. I do realize that you assign dates based on looking at the present nature and how it now functions and apply that to the past. Dream dates.

So if the dates we apply to the Cambrian Explosion are wrong, or imaginary, how can you assert it supports your beliefs?

What would be an argument is to say, science knows it was one way or the other because...bing..bang...boom. (actual reasons)

Giving in to the jibberish again, I see.

 

[dad]

So if the dates we apply to the Cambrian Explosion are wrong, or imaginary, how can you assert it supports your beliefs?

The dates do not support anything since they are derived from belief.

Having a lot of creatures die and get fossilized does fit Genesis. The fossil record that relates to origin issues was laid down long ago. The nature of that day according to history and Scripture was different than today. It is reasonable to assume, looking at bible timing of when Adam lived, as well as how Adam was told he would return to dust, that Scripture indicates man would have decayed too fast at that time to be able to leave remains such as fossils! That is a probable reason that man is not in the fossil record then. Man was alive, but not represented in the fossils! We can deduce that the animals also for the most part are in the same category. So the earliest fossils we see are simply the creatures that died first, and COULD fossilize. That fits the bible and evidence from science.

In every area we look, the separation of continents, dating, DNA, etc etc the same basic belief is used in models by so called science for the past. That belief is that this present is the key to the past. They assume that by looking at today's nature and laws that this also 'must' represent what existed from creation here. THIS is a belief that must be proven before any models based on it gain validity! Until you can solidly support that mother of assumptions, the models based on it cannot be accepted as true.

You are left with...religion.

 

[Bob the Unbeliever]

Forget other beliefs. Claims offered AS science must be supported here.

As the thread OP points out you have religion and not actual science for origins issues and you cannot support your beliefs.

False. Science demonstrates and shows it is EFFECTIVE.

The ABSOLUTE IRONY of YOU USING SCIENCE (to be a massive BULLY), while DENYING SCIENCE

 

[Bob the Unbeliever]

You cannot prove a nature that was the same in the early days of earth. Your claims then are religious twaddle. Yes there was a past recorded in the bible since creation. No, that past was not like today in nature.

Prove it. Prove it WITHOUT INVOKING MAGIC.

You can't. Science has a 1000+ year track record of SUCCESS. Your bible? Has an even longer track record of FAILURE.

 

[Bear Wild]

Prove it. Prove it WITHOUT INVOKING MAGIC.

You can't. Science has a 1000+ year track record of SUCCESS. Your bible? Has an even longer track record of FAILURE.

I have the feeling that responding to dad's post is like feeding gremlins after midnight. The nonsensical posts keep growing and reproducing after each attempt to help him understand.