Science IS religion

[Dan From Smithville]

Since there is no evidence that a global flood occurred, how does one find evidence of pre-flood life? If you keep looking deeper and deeper into the geological record, chasing evidence of a flood further and further back into time, a point is finally reached where the evidence of life is no longer found and still no evidence of a flood.

What a quandary.

 

[Bear Wild]

Total fable. If that is your best you can keep it.
Christian monks believe in the supernatural actually. Silly little saying do not make your fables true. It may be simple for you to ignore God in creation, but it is simpler not to.

Nothing useful comes from your fables.

No idea what ID has done or not. We do know science has cooked up fables, and gave us life destroying weapons.

Origins science is 100% faith and poison.

Relax, nothing like that is there.

All evidence favors the flood you have been misled.

Space IS the firmament and you have been almost nowhere in it.
Great. Thought the bible indicated something else?

Inside your inbred belief set, yes. In reality, no.

That is delusional.




The little stuff died first. Man was here when that happened.
Creation was nested. ERVs transferred differently in the former nature.

You believe. I know why. You are wrong.

The only thing that is delusional is your posts. Your mind is closed to anything but what you believe. So you preach with words of superiority of knowledge because you have your book and nothing else matters. The obvious inconsistency of the bible with our world does not matter. You love the argument for argument sake and not to learn or exchange ideas as most who contribute on the forum. I have learned do much from others and have looked at what I believe from different viewpoints. You so far, sadly to say, will not learn. Your posts are only the desperate statements of a person on a mission to save the poor heathens who believe in science which makes you feel good. So you can post and post and post but never honestly consider anything others say. I feel sorry for you "Dad".

You say nothing and are defeated, but believe real hard in your religion. Pathetic. I figure any belief set worth it's salt should be able to defend itself.

You love to say words like defeated and pathetic because you have nothing else you can say. Acceptance of evolution defends itself beautifully with extensive evidence that supports itself. Go on with your preaching and bring on the fire and brimstone we have all heard it over and over again but all of your posts add up to nothing.

I do have one question for you to consider. If you believe that god made the earth and the universe and therefore it is gods creation then why would you question what gods creation is telling us? Do you believe that mans written words are superior to gods creation?

 

[Bob the Unbeliever]

No you didn't you claimed this

"I do not need to provide evidence that it did not change"

Therefore you may make no models based on one. Hahaha

Lying about what someone said? Is so you.

 

[Bob the Unbeliever]

You do not know what DNA was in Noah's day. Your big letter spam nonsense is refuted. Gong!

Actually? Noah never existed -- 100% myth-- so in a weird and twisted way? You are correct-- NOBODY knows, because Noah never existed.

YOU HAVE REFUTED NOTHING.

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[Bob the Unbeliever]

He was born in Bethlehem. Before that is above our paygrade. You figure if you cannot comprehend God and how He created, you can make up what you like?

Nope. We KNOW that the city of Bethlehem? DID NOT EXIST at the time of the alleged "birth"

You LOSE AGAIN.

*ding**ding**ding**ding**ding**ding**ding**ding**ding**ding*

 

[Bob the Unbeliever]

Defeated you will remain. Desperate weird big and small letters doesn't help you. Your religious old ages cannot be supported and are faith based. Rather than a reasoned or logical position being presented we see you casting out false accusations like firebrands and digressing into insane looking defeatist posts.

Lies. That is all you have, now-- is 100% pure lies.

JUST like the god of Genesis-- LIES. God tells Adam, the VERY DAY he eats of the MAGIC FRUIT?

Adam will DIE.

Adam eats. ADAM LIVES 1000'S OF DAYS MORE.

GOD LIES.

Just like you.

 

[Bob the Unbeliever]

Rather than apologize for the false allegation of claiming I had no biblical support you grasp at some other portion of the verse in an attempt to divert and doubt and avoid the issue. Knavish.

As stated, in the former nature long lives were the normal course of events. The records show that.

You continue to LIE even when you are SHOWN THE LIE.

Typical.

 

[dad]

I wasn't going for simple. I was going for correct, which can be more difficult, but is worth the effort. Atheism requires intelligence and courage. What is easy is to accept the first holy book thrown into your playpen, and just believe that.

So now Occam's simplest explanation is no good! Make up your mind.

To the believer, the secular humanist says rise from your knees, cease groveling and calling yourself an unworthy worm in the eyes of an angry god, shed your magical thinking, stand up with pride like the bipedal ape you were born to be, and take your proper place in the cosmos..

And the result of this 'rising' is that you think you came form a worm like thingie (same ancestor as the flat worm) and have no eternal life or future or purpose etc etc.

Face and accept the very real possibility that we may be all there is for light years, and that things don't get better if we don't make them better.

Man can't save himself.

Accept the likelihood of your own mortality and finititude.

Jesus died so we do not have to.

"You stare into your high definition plasma screen monitor from the comfort or your air conditioned and electrically lighted home, type into your cordless keyboard then hit enter, which causes your computer to convert all that visual data into a binary signal that's processed by millions of precise circuits.

"This is then converted to a frequency modulated signal to reach your wireless router where it is then converted to light waves and sent along a large fiber optics cable to be processed by a super computer on a mass server.

"This sends that bit you typed to a satellite orbiting the earth that was put there through the greatest feats of engineering and science, all so it could go back through a similar pathway to make it all the way here to my computer monitor 15,000 miles away from you just so you could say, "Science is all a bunch of man made hogwash."- anon.

Do you not have any sense of the message you send when you rail against science using science?

NONE of this has any connection to your origin fables religion. Zero.

It embarrassed Christianity further. There was a very fascinating trial iin which intelligent design was found to be religious pseudoscience. Several reputations were damaged. most notably Micheal Behe's. Dembski got pretty dinged up for tucking tail and running from the trial after some tough talk.

Monkey trails do not interest me. Judges can go eat a banana for all they know, and pick their armpits!



If that isn't how you approach reality, then what use are your ideas to others (or you)? This is pretty basic. If belief B leads to action A that results in desired outcome D, it's a keeper, and can be called whatever you call ideas that cork - correct, fact, knowledge, or truth.

I don't need religion. I've learned to navigate the world comfortably without it.

You got one like it or not.

The Christian Bible makes no mention of continental drift. You would have no such concept without my "religion." Yours was no help.

Earth was divided.....it fits in there well.

DNA functions according to the relevant physical laws,

Now it does, and it functioned as it did in the former nature also. How that was you do not know.

. We can visualize distant events that took place near the beginning of time.such as galaxy and star formation, which seem to obey the same rules we see today operating in our galaxy today.

Fantasy and godless dreaming. The reality is that if time is not the same in all the universe, you have no idea idea how old anything is! Ha. Religion.

We see the same spectral emission lines from the same atoms whose electrons were jumping from the same shells in exactly the same manner then as now.

Because you see them here.

These kinds of findings as well as the confirmed predictions of the Big Bang theory are what put those very tight limits on how much the laws of physics could have changed.

Those kind of fables show you have bad religion no science regarding your sick fables. Really.

 

[dad]

No, I didn't say that. "I don't know" is a satisfactory answer to me.

Time you admit when you don't know.

 

[dad]

You continue to LIE even when you are SHOWN THE LIE.

Typical.

The windows of heaven actually are right there in the bible as you were shown.

 

[dad]

The only thing that is delusional is your posts. Your mind is closed to anything but what you believe. So you preach with words of superiority of knowledge because you have your book and nothing else matters. The obvious inconsistency of the bible with our world does not matter. You love the argument for argument sake and not to learn or exchange ideas as most who contribute on the forum. I have learned do much from others and have looked at what I believe from different viewpoints. You so far, sadly to say, will not learn. Your posts are only the desperate statements of a person on a mission to save the poor heathens who believe in science which makes you feel good. So you can post and post and post but never honestly consider anything others say. I feel sorry for you "Dad".

You love to say words like defeated and pathetic because you have nothing else you can say. Acceptance of evolution defends itself beautifully with extensive evidence that supports itself. Go on with your preaching and bring on the fire and brimstone we have all heard it over and over again but all of your posts add up to nothing.

I do have one question for you to consider. If you believe that god made the earth and the universe and therefore it is gods creation then why would you question what gods creation is telling us? Do you believe that mans written words are superior to gods creation?

So you can't defend the basis for origins claims by science. Instead we see blabber. Whatever.

 

[Bear Wild]

So you can't defend the basis for origins claims by science. Instead we see blabber. Whatever.

You have been given scientific evidence that you were never going to consider anyway and the evidence supports evolution but you wont accept any of it because you have closed you mind to anything but what you believe. So be creative with your words but you avoided my question.
If god created earth and the universe then what makes a book written by humans originally oral then in one language unavailable to most humans for a long period of time to be more correct that what we can learn from "gods" creation available to everyone?

 

[Altfish]

Time you admit when you don't know.

I admit it.

The unknown is what keeps scientists in work; if we knew everything it would be very boring.

But scientists are giving us more and more explanations for the things in this world, leaving a smaller and smaller place for god.

 

[dad]

You have been given scientific evidence that you were never going to consider anyway and the evidence supports evolution but you wont accept any of it because you have closed you mind to anything but what you believe. So be creative with your words but you avoided my question.

You have been told that your imagined scientific evidence is 100% faith based. Both regarding deep space and time and the nature on earth in the past.

You can adit it or offer no faith based so called evidence. Your beliefs do not get evidence status, sorry.

If god created earth and the universe then what makes a book written by humans originally oral then in one language unavailable to most humans for a long period of time to be more correct that what we can learn from "gods" creation available to everyone?

Tried and proven and repeated and tested through all history. Your fables are ever changing insanity that has no bearing on reality or basis in fact.

 

[dad]

I admit it.

The unknown is what keeps scientists in work; if we knew everything it would be very boring.

But scientists are giving us more and more explanations for the things in this world, leaving a smaller and smaller place for god.

Not exactly. Pretending to know the unknown has been the major preoccupation in matters relating to creation.

 

[Altfish]

Not exactly. Pretending to know the unknown has been the major preoccupation in matters relating to creation.

Only by the religious, scientists are trying to explain the unknown.
Darwin explained what happens after we have life, abiogenesis is not a theory, it is still a hypothesis, but I have heard nothing better to date.

 

[Bear Wild]

You have been told that your imagined scientific evidence is 100% faith based. Both regarding deep space and time and the nature on earth in the past.

You can adit it or offer no faith based so called evidence. Your beliefs do not get evidence status, sorry.



Tried and proven and repeated and tested through all history. Your fables are ever changing insanity that has no bearing on reality or basis in fact.

So humans telling and retelling the history and beliefs then writing them down over and over as older copies deteriorate with all the know errors that have been seen alone with copied sources compared then translated into different languages is more accurate the scientific investigation. You live in a fantasy world if you believe that.

Tell me why did the god you believe in only speak to one small group of people?
How do you know that those people even knew what god did?
What makes one creation story more true than another?
What evidence to the original writers of the bible have since they were not around from the beginning?

 

[Bob the Unbeliever]

The windows of heaven actually are right there in the bible as you were shown.

Nope. You did not show such a thing-- sorry.

 

[dad]

Only by the religious, scientists are trying to explain the unknown.

So do most belief systems.

Darwin explained what happens after we have life,

He is more famous for claims about where we came from.

abiogenesis is not a theory, it is still a hypothesis, but I have heard nothing better to date.

Better is in the eye of the beholder.

 

[dad]

So humans telling and retelling the history and beliefs then writing them down over and over as older copies deteriorate with all the know errors that have been seen alone with copied sources compared then translated into different languages is more accurate the scientific investigation. You live in a fantasy world if you believe that.

Even unreliable witnesses, when there are millions of them may have some bits of common truth that can be gleaned. The fables of science have no redeeming feature. Bad religion.

Tell me why did the god you believe in only speak to one small group of people?

If you clean a dirty house would you not start by trying to get one room or area clean?

How do you know that those people even knew what god did?

He came and proved it.

What makes one creation story more true than another?

Science sure doesn't know.

What evidence to the original writers of the bible have since they were not around from the beginning?

Jesus rising from the dead, miracles, millions of people testing prayer, fulfilled prophesy etc etc.