BilliardsBall
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Jesus is God, God always/only speaks truth.
You, currently, only accuse me of lying. Please put me on ignore.
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Science standards under threat in Arizona
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Jesus is God, God always/only speaks truth.
You, currently, only accuse me of lying. Please put me on ignore.
SkepticThinker
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What people shouldn't want is for things that aren't scientific to be taught in science classrooms.
In other words, teach science in science classrooms.
There are plenty of places where religion is taught. A science classroom isn't the appropriate place for that. Do you have people come to your church and teach evolution or biology there? Probably not because that's not the place for it, right?
I don't know where you're thinking any censoring is going on.
With the possible exception of His imminent return. Imminent since 2000 years.
Ciao
-viole
dimmesdale
Member
The science of race inequality was taught in science classrooms. Any dissent based on equality was dismissed as religious superstition and scientifically false.
Then get rid of the failed theory of evolution because it is really philosophy or metaphysics. Defended with all the zeal of Romanism defense of geocentric theory against Galileo's dissent which triggered an inquisition and punishment. Truth always wins in the end.
Like comparative religion. This is what it could teach. We are image of God, not image of ape for starters. They can compare and contrast.
That has happened in adult Sunday school. They debate it and sometimes teach it. What they do not do is censor it across the board.
Depends on the context and church leadership. There is flexibility there that does not exist in schools where litigation can rear its ugly head.
It is going on. It is fine because they can learn it at home or at church. Many schools close down on Wednesday evening in our area so children can attend church education. If you censor people will find a way to circumvent. Never learned anything from prohibition?
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Audie
Veteran Member
Nah. I like your display of godliness.
Jose Fly
Fisker of men
What's the difference?
Let's be clear. I don't want creationism presented by anyone in science class, for the same reason I don't want the KKK's views on race presented in science class.
So are you.
And since you failed to show where I said I didn't want religious people to be science teachers but you also didn't apologize for accusing me of such, I can only conclude that you're the type of person who accuses people of things but feels no moral obligation to back up those accusations (or apologize for them).
That doesn't speak well of you.
Shad
Veteran Member
Keeping Creationism out of sciences classes in nothing like prohibition or did they start shutting down churches when I wasn't looking? Do you have bootleg bibles? Maybe getting a few from Canada?
Audie
Veteran Member
With the possible exception of His imminent return. Imminent since 2000 years.
Ciao
-viole
And then there is the more or less infinite variety of
ways that "His" words are interpreted.
Of which the anointed ones in their legions,
who are guided by god to the one Truth, cry out
unto the multitudes:
"Lo here!"
"NO, lo HERE!"
Audie
Veteran Member
Audie
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Jose Fly
Fisker of men
For some people, there's nothing meaner than a mirror.Meanie!
Audie
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Shad
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Audie
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dimmesdale
Member
Well, I don't see much of a difference in mentality. The Bible does have health science implications. Makes spec claims regarding origin of universe and life here. Claims which were accepted until the 1800s by almost everybody. To refuse to consider because it is deemed unscientific (artificially demarcated by atheists) is the same mentality as refusing to consider equality because that was also considered unscientific. There is all kinds of examples where scientists stunted progress. Peer group pressure can halt progress in its tracks. They put the microscope on the back burner. Bacteria was viewed thru a microscope in 1677 and in 1820 microscopes had no place in medical research. Why? Consensus in part. If we are talking origin of life and the universe then we are talking Theology, not science. Esp, not so-called atheistic origin myths pretending to be science. This idea that doubts about current secular orthodoxy regarding origins is opposed to science is garbage. Total crap. A way to marginalize and vilify.
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Bear Wild
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Science shows the equality of all life unlike many religions. You do not have the concept of the chosen people in science. Evolution theory has not failed even with all the attacks and scrutiny it has undergone. It integrates with Ecology perfectly which I guess would make ecology unteachable with your viewpoint. I know it is hard to find out that you or I are not so superior to other life and that is what scares people who believe in Creationism. When you say we are made in gods image, is god a man or a woman? Does god have DNA? Does god need oxygen to breath or water to drink? Does god have blood? We are clearly very close to apes in physiology and genetics as well as basic needs. So what makes us so much more similar to god? Just wanting to be like a god is not enough to make it so.
Shad
Veteran Member
Yet not for scientific reasons but rituals and God commands.
So can anyone else. We do not teach what the guy on the corner with a cardboard box sign "Doom is nay" opinion on the origin of the universe just because he believes it.
Ad populum fallacy
Nope as many scientists are theists and have no issues separating their religion from their work. It's not some atheist conspiracy. /tin foil hat
Nonsensical babble.
Nope. Evidence, massive amount of work by multiple people across generation and acceptance of results .
Nope. You seem to have no idea what those two words mean
More babble. /tin foil hat
Like you do with your "atheist" this, "atheist" that. Hilarious. Pot meet kettle
We no longer teach the phlogiston model of heat. We no longer teach about humours in medicine. We no longer teach the geocentric viewpoint. ALL of these were long-held viewpoints that have no place in the science classroom except as historical curiosities.
The same goes for creationism. it was held by most until a couple of hundred years ago because few people had studied the matter scientifically. When they started doing so, they very quickly realized it to be an untenable position given the realities.
The only difference is that a few religions see the creationist account as being important for their doctrines, so there is an emotional drive to keep it taught, even though it has long been discarded by the scientific community. And it was discarded NOT because they were ignoring it, but because they compared what it claimed to reality and found it to be wrong.
ecco
Veteran Member
BS should always be vilified. People that support should be marginalized.
Bear Wild
Well-Known Member
What makes evolution the only science theory that concerns Christians who argue for creationism? There are other scientific theories with less proof than evolution which they seem to accept without question. With evolution they look for any insignificant fact to inflate into an argument knowing there is no proof for creationism. What is the great fear?