science vs religion?

[syo]

Why?

you tell me.

 

[syo]

Nope, no sense at all. But you are welcome to believe that.

believe what?

 

[Unveiled Artist]

I read something a while back, I think by Stephen Hawking,
where he said that empty space actually has a lot of “something “ in it.

It's not space if it does.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

exactly.

huh?

If something comes from nothing at "the beginning" why doesn't the pattern continue? (Why don't other somethings come from nothings; where is the pattern?)

 

[syo]

If something comes from nothing at "the beginning"

that's impossible.

 

[QuestioningMind]

science vs religion? no way. even science believes that Something must have started the big bang. the big bang sprang out of nothing? no.

The most popular hypothesis about how the universe came to exist in its current state in the Big Bang. But of course this hypothesis does NOT say that the universe sprang out of NOTHING. It states that everything existed as a extremely compact singularity and that everything in the universe sprang from that. It's much the same way that a tiny atom can be split to release the massive energy contained in an atomic explosion.

 

[David T]

science vs religion? no way. even science believes that Something must have started the big bang. the big bang sprang out of nothing? no.

"his bozo the clown totally justifies me being bozo the clown"

Sung to an old TV jingle name that jingle

my bozo is better that your bozo
My bozo is better than yours
My bozo is better
Cuz I believe it so
My bozo is better than yours.

Now I can invert that replace the religious individual with the non religious individual same song, works either way!!! Now I write like this it tends to create confusion and the atheist and the religious both see me as thus. So they agree on something at least.

When in reality I am just George pointing out an error. Which elicits "who's George your nuts"!!! Which I have to respond yes I am like you but mad!!!

My avatar is cerenous (sp) and the avatar is learning to listen which is rarer here than most realize. And I tend to express out in Muir like fashion this which accurately describes how I am.

 

[Repox]

That's not how probability works. Probabilities are predictions of future incidences based in past incidences.

There is only a single instance of a universe we can measure, so what would your math look like exactly? Can you actually lay out your probabilities. . . I might be able to help you through your errors.

I know we must have variables for prediction. It is not beyond the scope of science to hypothesize probabilities based on hypothetical situations. Actually, it is not as hypothetical as you might imagine. It is possible to construct a model based on past events, and apply probability equations to possible outcomes. Just because it hasn't been done for an analysis of intelligent design propositions, doesn't mean it is not possible.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

that's impossible.

that Something is beyond space and time, it's the eternal, it's god himself.

Why and how does something beyond space and time, eternal?

Space is the absence of something. So, something cannot be "beyond" (what does that mean?) space and time when once there is something in a said area it is no longer space.

Space, I guess, is eternal to us because we haven't "measured" how far nothing goes out to determine if there is a, I don't know, wall. Space has no time etc so I guess that qualifies.

How is this god?

Who said we don't know? it speaks for itself, that it must be something beyond time and space and it's eternal.

The only thing that has no (beyond?) time is space. So, I guess space is eternal. How do you consider that something and how does space speak for itself?

Edit

If something came from nothing, why doesn't it still happen in everyday life today?

 

[syo]

The most popular hypothesis about how the universe came to exist in its current state in the Big Bang. But of course this hypothesis does NOT say that the universe sprang out of NOTHING. It states that everything existed as a extremely compact singularity and that everything in the universe sprang from that. It's much the same way that a tiny atom can be split to release the massive energy contained in an atomic explosion.

and that is why god is one. monotheism got that right.

 

[ChristineM]

what's nothing?

Read the paper, that's why i linked it.

However, it depends on your interpretation of nothing. There could be a volume absent of all particles but enclosed within dimensions. Or a dimensionless whatever (no words to describe it,)

 

[Altfish]

believe what?

This, what you posted last time....

"in my religion there are two types of life. the first is the invisible eternal life (god), and the second type is the forms that we see (mortals). you ask why the universe isn't eternal. well actually the universe is eternal because the core of the universe is eternal and unchangeable (god, or should i say the formless universe). everything else that consists of the universe such as stars for example is of the mortal world. the big bang is just the beginning of us mortals (the second type of life) that the formless universe (god) has triggered"

 

[ChristineM]

Oohhh... I have got to work that into a post. Love it!

Quantum foam - Wikipedia

 

[syo]

Space is the absence of something.

no. that is wrong.

 

[syo]

Why and how does something beyond space and time, eternal?

we mortals are bound to space and time. we were born this way and when the time comes we will die. time consumes everything.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

no. that is wrong.

Think of it this way. There-are-no-spaces-between-this-sentences. Once I take out the dashes, in between the words there are spaces between this sentence.

It's an absence of something. This something, in this case, is a dash. Absence of it, we call that in English a space. I know it's hard to imagine an area devoid of anything. Space is hard to imagine. Zen teachers try to meditate "no thoughts" all the time.

Nothing is eternal. Everything changes-is born, ages, decays, and cycles again.

 

[ChristineM]

I am proposing a theory based on statistics for proving the likelihood of intelligent design. It is not religiosity, it is mathematical.

So provide the statistics so they can be reviewed abd evaluated.

The most influential data set must be that of mathematics asp proof of an intelligent designer. Note multiply by zero = zero

 

[ChristineM]

you tell me.

You made the statement, i was asking why, why you made the statement without evidence would also answer my question

 

[syo]

This, what you posted last time....

"in my religion there are two types of life. the first is the invisible eternal life (god), and the second type is the forms that we see (mortals). you ask why the universe isn't eternal. well actually the universe is eternal because the core of the universe is eternal and unchangeable (god, or should i say the formless universe). everything else that consists of the universe such as stars for example is of the mortal world. the big bang is just the beginning of us mortals (the second type of life) that the formless universe (god) has triggered"

you understand nothing of it. and you give me permission? you're funny.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

we mortals are bound to space and time. we were born this way and when the time comes we will die. time consumes everything.

Humans aren't the center of the universe or the only one's in space. So, time and space does not just apply to us but to everything involved in space planets, everything. Everything changes. Nothing is the same eternally. That contradicts the laws of nature.

"God" of scripture is said to be eternal. I have no clue how this makes sense. What is beyond space and time do you know about outside of human interpretations and definitions?