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science vs religion?

ChristineM

ChristineM

"Be strong", I whispered to my coffee.
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Carlita said:
How so? Can you give an example of something coming from nothing rather than a combination of somethings forming into something else entirely?
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Perhaps you didn't read my post. Let me repeat...

"As each event either annihilates or creates a new universe it is impossible to observe from another universe"

However, the paper i linked to suggests that or universe is an example.
 
U

Unveiled Artist

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syo said:
i told you what nothing is. it's absolute zero.
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Can you imagine absolute zero?

Here is a definition of space.

In space, no one can hear you scream. This is because there is no air in space – it is a vacuum. Sound waves cannot travel through a vacuum.

Have you ever imagined what's beyond this vacuum full of dust and particles? Also, how does god figure into all of this? Is he a vacuum? Is he the dust particles? Is he the absence or space between the dust particles? Is he energy that puts these things together and breaks it apart? How do you know he is a he? He is a pronoun for a male and male refers to one's sex animal and human, how is god male?
 
U

Unveiled Artist

Veteran Member
ChristineM said:
Perhaps you didn't read my post. Let me repeat...

"As each event either annihilates or creates a new universe it is impossible to observe from another universe"

However, the paper i linked to suggests that or universe is an example.
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How so? Can you give an example of something coming from nothing rather than a combination of somethings forming into something else entirely?

I'm not getting it. If nothing exists, how does something come from it?

I don't see the pattern here. If nothing is in front of me, how does something come from an absence of something? (Sounds more fiction than anything else)
 
syo

syo

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Carlita said:
In space, no one can hear you scream. This is because there is no air in space – it is a vacuum. Sound waves cannot travel through a vacuum.
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that vacuum is just one of the many forms of the universe.

Carlita said:
Have you ever imagined what's beyond this vacuum full of dust and particles? Also, how does god figure into all of this? Is he a vacuum? Is he the dust particles? Is he the absence or space between the dust particles? Is he energy that puts these things together and breaks it apart? How do you know he is a he? He is a pronoun for a male and male refers to one's sex animal and human, how is god male?
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god is the mystery we will never find who created the world, that single singularity. that's it. male or female doesn't matter.
 
`mud

`mud

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Ahhhhh.....`eternity` one of trillions in the infinity we experience.
Which one are we in ? How many are there ? Where ends infinity ?
If one asks how many gods exist in these eternities,
how many `gods` would that be, beside the 'God' that you believe in?
How many Nirvanas exist in the eternity in which we exist ?
And of course, how many Brahmas, and Brahmans, or whatever !
Life dies but spirits pursue, in other forms, with or without cognizence.
Eternities replace other eternities, but infinity continues.
I wonder what `form` I will become in this eternity in which I exist ?
Will I even sense it ?
 
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U

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syo said:
god is the mystery we will never find who created the world, that single singularity. that's it. male or female doesn't matter.
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No one created the world. That's putting us in the center of the universe. Can you imagine the world without god? (Can you imagine space, if one likes, surrounded by absolute zero?)
 
syo

syo

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the way i view god is like a dna. he created matter and then saw it evolve. god set the rules and the universe simply followed.
 
U

Unveiled Artist

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syo said:
it needs intelligence. everything is too perfect to not follow an intelligent design.
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No it doesn't. What is perfect to the universe? What's a perfect star? A perfect sun? A perfect atom? A perfect human? These things grow and die in an endless cycle and morph in so many ways recycled this and that. The perfect humans are born, age, become ill, and die. Eternal life isn't normal to a changing universe.
 
syo

syo

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Carlita said:
What is perfect to the universe? What's a perfect star? A perfect sun? A perfect atom? A perfect human?
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all these you mention are perfect. god makes no mistakes. what on earth can be said to be imperfect?
 
Q

QuestioningMind

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syo said:
compared to how it works. space and time ''work'' perfectly together, for example.
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How it works is how it IS. You SAY it 'works' perfectly. I'm asking COMPARED TO WHAT? Please give me an example of 'space and time NOT working perfectly together.
 
ChristineM

ChristineM

"Be strong", I whispered to my coffee.
Premium Member
Carlita said:
How so? Can you give an example of something coming from nothing rather than a combination of somethings forming into something else entirely?

I'm not getting it. If nothing exists, how does something come from it?

I don't see the pattern here. If nothing is in front of me, how does something come from an absence of something? (Sounds more fiction than anything else)
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Your understanding of quantum physics is not required. But if you can handle the maths the link i provided will explain.

Here it Is again.

[1404.1207] Spontaneous creation of the universe from nothing
 
syo

syo

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QuestioningMind said:
How it works is how it IS. You SAY it 'works' perfectly. I'm asking COMPARED TO WHAT? Please give me an example of 'space and time NOT working perfectly together.
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there is no such example. time and space work perfectly because that's how they were programmed.
 
U

Unveiled Artist

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syo said:
all these you mention are perfect. god makes no mistakes. what on earth can be said to be imperfect?
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There are no such thing as mistakes. The body is supposed to have cancer when the right cells etc from consequences of actions and symptoms of the body react and creates a natural reaction. Seizures are supposed to happen when the body has this irritation or born in that way. Stars are supposed to explode. The body is supposed to be sick. Everything is supposed to change. Nothing is eternal. Everything changes.

Humans are perfect just as planets.

Since everything is perfect, there does not need to be a god. Everything is in on-going change. Once you say there is a god, you're making change permanent. You're stopping the laws of nature which the nature of life that is what you call perfect (or natural, rather) in itself. It does not need god for it to be "perfect."

Also, perfect is not a good word. There is no such thing as perfect and imperfect. That's just humans comparing morals on what is outside our definition of morality.
 
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