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science vs religion?
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Kuzcotopia
If you can read this, you are as lucky as I am.
Do it. Do it here. Show me your math.
Unveiled Artist
Veteran Member
What are you talking about?
Something or nothing, what to you are the definitions and/or which to you came first?
Unveiled Artist
Veteran Member
I can't discuss nor refute your statement unless simplify it.
Unveiled Artist
Veteran Member
The site defined it as a vacuum with dusts and particles.
Unveiled Artist
Veteran Member
Finally. So you think there has always been something here even beyond what is not there to us?
leibowde84
Veteran Member
Science doesn't "believe" anything. The term refers to the scientific method, a method of testing and confirming hypotheses over and over until you reach the point of it being considered a "scientific theory".
And, we do not know whether something started the big bang. There was no "before" the event, as it was the point at which time began. Actually, it could very well be that the big bang is merely a single even in almost infinite contractions and expansions.
So, "science" does not speak with any certainty as to whether something "started the big bang".
leibowde84
Veteran Member
Skwim
Veteran Member
Wow, you have a LOT of questionable assumptions here.
First of all, space and time are part of the universe. So they are also part of what you need to explain. If the universe is not eternal, neither are space nor time. Can you imagine a time with no previous time?
Second, a vacuum *does* spontaneously form particles: it is known as quantum fluctuation and has been measured. So, in that sense, things *do* 'pop out of thin air' (rather a misnomer, I might add since air is certainly matter).
Third, you seem to pre-suppose the existence of time, but time is also a part of the geometry of the universe.
arthra
Baha'i
Looking back over the past centuries in my view it's rather sad to see the polarization between science and religion. I'm optimistic that science and religion can find greater harmony. As Baha'is we believe that God always had a creation... that the universe was always there in some form or other and that the creation is more like an ongoing process rather than limited to a big or little bang... Maybe there were a lot of bangs.
Repox
Truth Seeker
I don't really know what you are talking about. What possible method? I have not proposed god magic, I have proposed applications of probability theory. Go back and read what I wrote. It is about math and probability theory, which, apparently, you don't understand.
Show me the astrological evidence.
Unveiled Artist
Veteran Member
How does things pop out of thin air (come from nothing)?
You don't believe that there is space in between matter?
Unless you're saying there is no such thing as nothing/space, I have no clue how to understand this simple question.
How do you define eternal?
There is no time in space. Eternal is setting an infinite measure of time between what happens between A and B. Everything changes.
Why compare space we can observe with the space that we cannot because we cannot go that far?
To me, that's playing god. It is all assumptions.
Time doesn't exist in space and on earth. That's just our need to measure a set period from A to B. It's natural for humans but not needed. People can live without time period. You go from America on a flight to London Saturday evening and land on Monday. Sunday "disappeared" because without our labeling the measurement of how long the sun rises and sets, there is no time.
Try living without needing to measure when things happen. Live without your conception of time and just follow the change of the earth cycle.
I'm not a scientist.
Explain how space/nothing does not exist between particles and dusts that makes up universes. Also, can you imagine space outside our universe where there are no particles and dusts because there is no sun, planets, or anything of that nature that can collide and form and shape stars and planets?
Can you imagine space without anything in it?
Does it?
I am no expert on Cosmology, but somehow I don't think such a claim is scientifically accurate. How would one factor such a belief into scientific knowledge exactly?
For all we know, it just might.
For that matter, why (besides all too human expectations for an "origin") would we even think of it as a springing out?
And why / how would we think of the previous situation as "nothing"?
james bond
Well-Known Member
Science, simply put, means knowledge. And the scientific method was formulated by creation scientist Sir Francis Bacon. He's the father of the scientific method.
What we do know is that everything started from a single point called God. Where atheist scientists and creation scientists agree is that it started from a single point. The BBT according to Stephen Hawking is from a black hole in reverse and time started there. However, he can't explain the cause except to say, "God abhors a naked singularity." Still looking.
What creation scientists say is, "We have an orderly universe that obeys laws. In order to have a universe that obey laws, there had to be a supernatural in order to have a basis for logical, orderly laws of nature." Not only that, it's explained in a book written by the creator.
Kuzcotopia
If you can read this, you are as lucky as I am.
I don't believe in astrology.
But I can understand your deflection. You've been kinda. . . well, talking out your bottom about being able to find variables and predict probabilities about the universe, but at no point have you actually demonstrated that you can do so, or even bothered to link a source to a mathematician/
cosmologist who has made the attempt.
Why is this? Can you at least isolate one variable to get us started? I'm only a high school math teacher, so it's possible I may know something about this stuff.
You limit yourself to your experience, you admit you don't understand anything outside your expedience.
Nothing is absence of something, that something includes dimensions.
Ok, spend a few years at uni studying quantum mechanic's and get back to me,we'll talk about it then.
Until you can understand the basic concept's there is little point discussing the basic concepts
And asteroid's, planets, moons, suns, galaxies, galatic clusters.
Everything you see or know exists in space.