science vs religion?

[ChristineM]

I don't really know what you are talking about. What possible method? I have not proposed god magic, I have proposed applications of probability theory. Go back and read what I wrote. It is about math and probability theory, which, apparently, you don't understand.

Show me the astrological evidence.

I don't really know what you are talking about. What possible method? I have not proposed god magic, I have proposed applications of probability theory. Go back and read what I wrote. It is about math and probability theory, which, apparently, you don't understand.

Show me the astrological evidence.

Show me the math, i have asked before and you seem reluctant to offer it. Then lets see if i understand it or you ate talking hogwash.

One thing is sure, if you could show real mathematical proof of god (or god magic) that stands up to scrutiny then you would be rich beyond avarice, you would have the worlds religious leaders on speed dial and you would have destroyed atheism and every religion but your own. I don't see it's happened yet. I'll wait.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

You limit yourself to your experience, you admit you don't understand anything outside your expedience.

I am limited by lack of knowledge not lack of experience.

Everything you see or know exists in space.

Why in space rather as space?

If these things make up space, why wouldnt you say these things are space?

One says these things are inside the vacuum the other says there is no vacuum because space is made up of or defined by things that already exists within it.

 

[Grandliseur]

science vs religion? no way. even science believes that Something must have started the big bang. the big bang sprang out of nothing? no.

A resent scientific claim, the universe should not exist. Ups! Science in a bit of hot water, or is it hot quarks!

 

[Grandliseur]

Show me the math, i have asked before and you seem reluctant to offer it. Then lets see if i understand it or you ate talking hogwash.

One thing is sure, if you could show real mathematical proof of god (or god magic) that stands up to scrutiny then you would be rich beyond avarice, you would have the worlds religious leaders on speed dial and you would have destroyed atheism and every religion but your own. I don't see it's happened yet. I'll wait.

I am not really answering to this post, but your chosen name intrigues me.
I am going to ask a question, if it is meaningless, please ignore my post:
沖縄に住んでことがありましたか？
Just trying to see if I might know you from a former time.

 

[Polymath257]

How does things pop out of thin air (come from nothing)?
You don't believe that there is space in between matter?

Unless you're saying there is no such thing as nothing/space, I have no clue how to understand this simple question.

So, nothing for you includes space? But space is part of the fabric of the geometry of the universe. So it is not 'nothing'.

How do you define eternal?

For all time.

There is no time in space. Eternal is setting an infinite measure of time between what happens between A and B. Everything changes.

Why compare space we can observe with the space that we cannot because we cannot go that far?

To me, that's playing god. It is all assumptions.

Well, we know space is expanding. We know gravity is a curvature of space and time.

Time doesn't exist in space and on earth. That's just our need to measure a set period from A to B. It's natural for humans but not needed. People can live without time period. You go from America on a flight to London Saturday evening and land on Monday. Sunday "disappeared" because without our labeling the measurement of how long the sun rises and sets, there is no time.

Yes, time exists in the universe. It is part of the geometry of spacetime.

Try living without needing to measure when things happen. Live without your conception of time and just follow the change of the earth cycle.

I'm not a scientist.

Explain how space/nothing does not exist between particles and dusts that makes up universes. Also, can you imagine space outside our universe where there are no particles and dusts because there is no sun, planets, or anything of that nature that can collide and form and shape stars and planets?

Can you imagine space without anything in it?

Yes, easily. Can you imagine no space at all?

 

[syo]

If you allow for God to be eternal, why can't the universe be eternal?

I have an opinion about god and the universe. It's in post 32.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

So, nothing for you includes space? But space is part of the fabric of the geometry of the universe. So it is not 'nothing'.

I asked questions rather than statements. What is between the rocks and dusts that make up space? Without the rocks and so forth, what do you think is left? This is an hypothetical question not a scientific.

Well, we know space is expanding. We know gravity is a curvature of space and time.

What is outside of space (outer space I'm talking about)?

If space is eternal, there would be no expansion.

Yes, easily. Can you imagine no space at all?

No. Hence why people believe in god and scientists try to find out what's in outer space and so forth. No one is satisfied with just not knowing. Buddhism looks into that though by being aware of our awareness and thoughts. Other schools look at the void of our own nature by no thoughts. Nothing divine just another way of entertaining the idea of the meaning of nothing; absolute zero.

But if space is expanding, I'd assume there is no such thing in outer space given we don't know if there are other suns, moons, gravitational pulls etc. Can we imagine that? Not many people can. To0 scary for some because they lose their place in the universe. The unknown is very scary for many.

Hence why we have many religions.

 

[ChristineM]

I am limited by lack of knowledge not lack of experience.



Why in space rather as space?

If these things make up space, why wouldnt you say these things are space?

One says these things are inside the vacuum the other says there is no vacuum because space is made up of or defined by things that already exists within it.

So you have experience of quantum mechanics?

Do you say air is brick? Air is all around yet other materials are located within the space that contains air

A vacuum is not empty. It is a space with dimensions that is void of air through which energy can pass.

 

[ChristineM]

I am not really answering to this post, but your chosen name intrigues me.
I am going to ask a question, if it is meaningless, please ignore my post:
沖縄に住んでことがありましたか？
Just trying to see if I might know you from a former time.

Sorry, it means nothing to me.

Just ran it through Google translate and the answer is
いいえ、決して

Hope that's right.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

So you have experience of quantum mechanics?

I said I lack knowledge.

Do you say air is brick

No. I asked what is between the dust and particles in space and since space is expanding, how is it eternal.

Air is all around yet other materials are located within the space that contains air

To follow up on my above comment, I asked what is between the materials that you would call space unless you are saying space is made up of dust and particles rather than in. If it's "in" what is space?

A vacuum is not empty. It is a space with dimensions that is void of air through which energy can pass.

Translation?

 

[Polymath257]

If something comes from nothing at "the beginning" why doesn't the pattern continue? (Why don't other somethings come from nothings; where is the pattern?)

Well, if baby universes bud off of ours, then the pattern may well 'continue' without our being aware of it.

 

[Polymath257]

that's impossible.

Why do you think that?

 

[Unveiled Artist]

Well, if baby universes bud off of ours, then the pattern may well 'continue' without our being aware of it.

Eh. I'm not getting this something from nothing. Sounds more fiction than anything else.

 

[Polymath257]

what's nothing?

Well, in the paper she linked to, it is quite explicit (direct quote from the paper):

"
The wave function of the universe should sat-
isfy the Wheeler-DeWitt equation (WDWE) [5]. With
the development of quantum cosmology theory, it has
been suggested that the universe can be created spon-
taneously from nothing, where “nothing” means there is
neither matter nor space or time [6], and the problem of
singularity can be avoided naturally"

 

[Polymath257]

Think of it this way. There-are-no-spaces-between-this-sentences. Once I take out the dashes, in between the words there are spaces between this sentence.

And yet, the letters and dashes take up space.

It's an absence of something. This something, in this case, is a dash. Absence of it, we call that in English a space. I know it's hard to imagine an area devoid of anything. Space is hard to imagine. Zen teachers try to meditate "no thoughts" all the time.

Nothing is eternal. Everything changes-is born, ages, decays, and cycles again.

You are confusing space with a vacuum.

 

[Polymath257]

didn't the singularity have a begining? wasn't the singularity logically created?

No. Technically, a singularity is simply a way of saying that time, space, etc cannot be extended past a certain point.

 

[Polymath257]

How so? Can you give an example of something coming from nothing rather than a combination of somethings forming into something else entirely?

I'm not getting it. If nothing exists, how does something come from it?

I don't see the pattern here. If nothing is in front of me, how does something come from an absence of something? (Sounds more fiction than anything else)

Once again, virtual particles in a quantum foam literally come from nothing. This is a measured effect.

 

[Polymath257]

I can't understand this. What are you saying? Something came from nothing? Something cannot come from nothing? There is no such thing as nothing? Th definition of space?

It says that from a false vacuum (which has nothing in it, including space and time), a quantum fluctuation can, and is expected to, produce a vacuum bubble of space and time, which will expand to form a universe like ours.

 

[Polymath257]

You'd have to talk in your own words. I can't follow scientific jargon. The information I got space from was actually a kids site.

Which isn't such a good resource, right? Perhaps a resource that has up-to-date ideas on what we know about space and time would be better?

 

[Polymath257]

What are you talking about?

Something or nothing, what to you are the definitions and/or which to you came first?

From nothing, i.e, the absence of space, time, matter, and energy, there can, by the known physical laws, come about a state where there *are* space, time, matter, and energy.