scientific and faith

[Thief]

The thing is, everyone is biased. A Christian believes that God created the universe. An athiest believes that God does not exist and did not create anything. Both are biased.

There are scientists who are athiestic, Christian, Muslim, and so on. They each start out with a bias.

My point is that regardless of the title or occupation, everyone has basic assumptions that they start out with. That doesn't mean that those assumptions can't change, but they are very difficult to change.

What of someone who follows no congregation?

I believe in God.
I believe in science.

I place God first....Spirit first.

Science is nothing but an examination how things work.
Faith places God as creator.

 

[PolyHedral]

I place God first....Spirit first.

Then your decision is irrational.

 

[outhouse]

I believe in science.

Maybe like science and the bible "you" only choose parts you want to believe.

you have shown you dont believe science and state firmly religion comes before knowledge

 

[Thief]

Maybe like science and the bible "you" only choose parts you want to believe.

you have shown you dont believe science and state firmly religion comes before knowledge

Your first statement is correct.
I choose what I believe.

Your second statement is altogether false.

 

[Thief]

Then your decision is irrational.

Not all things are rational.

Ever laugh?

Humor is considered irrational.
But without it...what are you?.....rational?

 

[outhouse]

Your second statement is altogether false.

actually you stated this

Faith places God as creator.

this goes aganst science and puts religion before knowledge.

lets also define the biblical statement of creation. The bible states god created man as homo sapiens.

in science and knowldge we know god did not, we do know that homo sapiens evolved from previous species

 

[PolyHedral]

Not all things are rational.

Ever laugh?

Humor is considered irrational.
But without it...what are you?.....rational?

Why would humour be considered irrational? It's an automatic response, and it's probably there for a reason.

 

[Thief]

From another thread in progress...I quote myself.....

If you were God.....
After the creation you would declare all of your handiwork good.
(pat on the back)

You would then realize....you are alone.
No one heard you say...'I am'.

Creating another 'you'...as spirit...is no more than a mirror image.
You end up talking to yourself.

There would be nothing else to work with other than the physical substance
expanding in every direction.
So you pick a piece of it...suitable.
No extreme temperatures....no excessive wind....no violent reactions...
You pick Earth.

And into this you install life.
After a while, you pick a form ...suitable...and install...a soul.

Evolution is only God's hand...tweaking the basic design.

 

[Dan4reason]

if we see the famous scientist of the past and of nowadays

what is the % of beleaver and disbeleaver?

can we make a little list of scientist and their beleaf?

thanks

I would be glad to. My data is in the link below.
Scientists and Belief - Pew Forum on Religion & Public Life

Beliefs of the U.S. public about evolution and creation
Religion Among the Millennials - Pew Forum on Religion & Public Life

 

[outhouse]

Evolution is only God's hand...tweaking the basic design.

let us note this only your personal opinion and nothing more.

let us also note, that science does not find this to be true.

No where in science and evolution does one see anywhere at any time a divine intervention with life on earth

 

[Thief]

Why would humour be considered irrational? It's an automatic response, and it's probably there for a reason.

Found the article in an encyclopedia.
That work, did not offer a cause.
It only pointed out the lack of need for survival.
All the other emotions seem to fit...fight or flight....continuation of the species

However....I have noticed...
It seems that humans run up against contrary ideas....continually.
Without humor, our thoughts would run in circles trying to resolve the conflict.
Stress would set in.
Laughter breaks the stress.
But in the face of some situations...laughter would be irrational....indeed!

 

[Thief]

let us note this only your personal opinion and nothing more.

let us also note, that science does not find this to be true.

No where in science and evolution does one see anywhere at any time a divine intervention with life on earth

And of course you are ignoring spiritual beliefs.
Such as Chapter Two of Genesis.

So you can't rationalize it.

Too bad.

 

[PolyHedral]

Found the article in an encyclopedia.
That work, did not offer a cause.
It only pointed out the lack of need for survival.
All the other emotions seem to fit...fight or flight....continuation of the species

Then you are looking at the wrong encyclopedia.

And of course you are ignoring spiritual beliefs.
Such as Chapter Two of Genesis.

So you can't rationalize it.

Too bad.

The nontrivial information in the book of Genesis contradicts reality. It can be ignored for that reason.

 

[Thief]

Then you are looking at the wrong encyclopedia.


The nontrivial information in the book of Genesis contradicts reality. It can be ignored for that reason.

Took a look at your offering.
I like Britannica better.

And Genesis does not contradict reality.
Genesis and science work just fine.

 

[Skwim]

And Genesis does not contradict reality.
Genesis and science work just fine.

 

[WordSpeaks]

if it does ,, its pure luck and your just trying to connect dots

Your reply reveals a bias. You are saying that if religion has anything based on science it is dumb luck. You are not open to the idea that anything religious can be true.

 

[WordSpeaks]

you make a good point """BUT""" it has nothing to do with science.

science has to withstand peer review from religious and non religious scientist.

I believe you have a lack of understanding the scientific method

Understanding that everyone comes to the table with preconceived ideas has nothing to do with science? Not understanding it can change the outcome. Out of curiosity, what part of my post reveals a lack of understanding with the scientific method?

Scientific method - you observe, from your observations you make a hypothesis, based on your hypothesis you make a prediction about outcomes, you experiment to test and you come to a conclusion. Is this not the correct model?

 

[WordSpeaks]

What of someone who follows no congregation?

I believe in God.
I believe in science.

I place God first....Spirit first.

Science is nothing but an examination how things work.
Faith places God as creator.

Everyone has biases. I'm not saying that is a bad thing, but it is bad if you don't recognize it. Understandung your starting points is a good thing.

Science isn't bad either. Hope nobody thinks I'm saying that. I don't agree with all the conclusions of every scientist, but then neither does anybody else.

 

[WordSpeaks]

actually you stated this


this goes aganst science and puts religion before knowledge.

lets also define the biblical statement of creation. The bible states god created man as homo sapiens.

in science and knowldge we know god did not, we do know that homo sapiens evolved from previous species

How do we know this? Which scientific proofs have shown evolution to be true?

 

[outhouse]

And Genesis does not contradict reality.
Genesis and science work just fine.

LOL how so????