scientific and faith

[Thief]

I already figured out your bias long ago.
Just as I have with Thief, the person I was replying to.
The difference being that I was merely pointing out Thief's bias to him.

For third parties watching this.....
Mesty makes a lot of effort retorting my posts.
It's become a hobby of sorts.

 

[outhouse]

There are similarities between apes and men

wrong

they are sumlarities of your ancestors

from chimp to human in a 7 million year time period

the only evidence that can be cited are fossils. Only 0.1% of the fossil record even consists of vertebrates (boned animals.) Most are marine invertebrates.

not relevant

They don't tell us who they were related to.

ah but they do

this is your lack of education getting in the way of reality again

This is a picture of skulls, put into a clever drawing containing artists' representations of what the animals may have looked like. Are you familiar with Nebraska man?

I know it better then you as I would never use nebraska man as a tool to discount known full fossils.

what you dont know or you wouldnot have mentioned nebraska man is that the media blew it out of porportion not science. science is the ones who stated it was fraud.

and how long ago did that happen.???? and has it happened again recently?


your reaching in severe desperation at this point.

Harold Cook discovered "Nebraksa man." He used skeletal remains (to be specific - a tooth) to draw a picture of this apeman.

got a picture, because I know the picture your talking about and I know the media created it not Cook

you really need better sources then creationist websites

Australopithecus afarensis is stated here to have walked upright. These apes are actually known today to be long-armed knuckle walkers.

wrong again ,, again maybe you could back something you state

 

[WordSpeaks]

Many biologists are theists and believe that earth was created by God, you know. That doesn't mean that they must pretend to be unaware of the available evidence about how life evolves, or of how old the Earth is.





A small amount of google search exposes that fragment of text as a fabrication, apparently from one Dr. David Menton at Answers in Genesis.

In other words, it is a lie.

So you found it on the internet (in a small amount of results - the only site I found that disputed it was a forum like this) so it must be true?

I'll concede that I don't have a copy of the journal myself. I'm also disappointed that the American Scientist doesn't have their entire history of journals online. Of course the quote was from 1978. Not surprising that its not easily accesible online.

 

[McBell]

For third parties watching this.....
Mesty takes a lot of effort retorting my posts.
It's become a hobby of sorts.

Thank you for pointing out how you cannot address anything I actually have in my posts but instead avoid said content like the plague.

 

[McBell]

So you found it on the internet (in a small amount of results - the only site I found that disputed it was a forum like this) so it must be true?

I'll concede that I don't have a copy of the journal myself. I'm also disappointed that the American Scientist doesn't have their entire history of journals online. Of course the quote was from 1978. Not surprising that its not easily accesible online.

Yet his articles from 1965 are...

Nice try.

 

[WordSpeaks]

im not biased and you dont know me at all to assume so much

Are you willing to entertain the idea that God exists and created the earth?

my interpretations are based on the scientific method and years of study and lab time.

The scientific method is not sufficient to prove evolution. THe hypothesis of millions/billions of years cannot be tested.

 

[outhouse]

In the American Journal of Physical Anthropology 60 p 279-317 Paleoanthropologists Jack Stern and Randall Sussman said that their hands are "surprisingly similar to hands found in the small end of the pygmy chimpanzee-common chimpanzee range," and that the feet are :long, curved and heavily muscled," consistant with other tree-living apes. Yet here and in many places, Lucy is still depicted with human like hands and feet. Why? Because it better fits the bias and conclusion.

this is a low down creationist attempt to discredit what WAS found LOL you failed misrably

what was found was a upright walking ape that lived 4.4 million years ago that fits in our evolutionary tree

 

[WordSpeaks]

After a certain point, that becomes irrelevant. You are implying the existence of a certain kind controvery in Biology, and well, that is simply not true. Evolution is quite simply a reality... a proven, uncontroversial reality.

When was it proven? What was the experiment used? I'm aware of the moth experiement- which showed that those most suited to survive conditions would. The experient did not produce a new species though.

I'm aware of the Miller experiment, which proved that A)It didn't take millions of years to produce amino acids, B) He chemically produced amino acids using intelligent design and C) He produced the wrong amino acids.

Show me the experiment. Show me how the scientific method has irrefutably proven evolution.

 

[outhouse]

Are you willing to entertain the idea that God exists and created the earth?

what god???

I understand the origin of the abrahamic god figure, I see how he was created by ancient hebrews not the other way around.

No god created the earth.

this is not a biased based ,,,,,, it is however evidence based.

you better figure out religion is my game not biology, bilogy is my weak link and you cannot get past that.

The scientific method is not sufficient to prove evolution

wrong again,,,,, that is your personal opinion. Not that of all of science LOL

what makes you smarter and more knowledgeable then all of science ?????????

 

[outhouse]

Show me the experiment. Show me how the scientific method has irrefutably proven evolution.

WOW you have a severe lack of education or just want to play games here.

science doesnt prove anything

 

[WordSpeaks]

WOW you have a severe lack of education or just want to play games here. science doesnt prove anything

I was replying to a post where someone else said evolution was "a proven, uncontroversial reality." If it's proven- when did that happen?

If it's not proven, why do you accept it? Is it on faith?

 

[outhouse]

I was replying to a post where someone else said evolution was "a proven, uncontroversial reality." If it's proven- when did that happen?

If it's not proven, why do you accept it? Is it on faith?

evolution happens daily in biomechanics and speciation happens in the lab and has been observed.

I asked you once did I not to use a little tool called google???

it would be great if you could search out the answers we already know, yourself



maybe you should look up the definition of faith while your at it

faith is belief in the absence of evidence, that is what religion has. Not science

 

[WordSpeaks]

evolution happens daily in biomechanics and speciation happens in the lab and has been observed.

I asked you once did I not to use a little tool called google???

it would be great if you could search out the answers we already know, yourself



maybe you should look up the definition of faith while your at it

faith is belief in the absence of evidence, that is what religion has. Not science

OK. So you refuse to actually discuss, or address my questions.

This is like what Paul described in Romans 1:18-19

"For the wrath of God lis revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who by their unrighteousness suppress the truth. For what can be known about God is plain to them, because God has shown it to them."

He went on to say in verse 21 "For although they knew God, they did not honor him as God or give thanks to him, but they became futile in their thinking, and their foolish hearts were darkened."

By the way, I reject that I have to give up reason to use faith. Faith is acceptance. I do not give up my thoughts when I employ it. Paul "reasoned with them from the Scriptures." (Acts 17:2-3)

 

[darkendless]

By the way, I reject that I have to give up reason to use faith. Faith is acceptance. I do not give up my thoughts when I employ it. Paul "reasoned with them from the Scriptures." (Acts 17:2-3)

Using scripture to reason belief is circular reasoning.

Faith is called faith because it is an opinion devoid of presentable logic.

 

[LuisDantas]

When was it proven?

By way of various experiments and observations that attempted - and failed - to contradict it, going back all the way to at least early 20th century.

Despite lots of motivation to prove it wrong, it just keeps being corroborated. In fact, it has no real competition. No one has even conceived a true alternative explanation for what we see in biology.

What was the experiment used? I'm aware of the moth experiement- which showed that those most suited to survive conditions would. The experient did not produce a new species though.

(...)

Take a look around. Talkorigins.org is a good source. But this topic may be actually better:

http://www.religiousforums.com/foru...eference-faqs-tutorials-theory-evolution.html

 

[outhouse]

OK. So you refuse to actually discuss, or address my questions

bud, I wish you had a valid question.

I cannot teach you evolution when you dont want to open your mind. your ok in my book

I can deal with your creationist propaganda as its easily refutable.

 

[outhouse]

you do cross the line with script though, but only because yoy use it wrong

"For the wrath of God lis revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men

I am neither ungodly nor unrighteous

who by their unrighteousness suppress the truth

right NOW it is you that is guilty of suppressing the truth here.

For what can be known about God is plain to them, because God has shown it to them."

what did god really show to who that is not about god????

has no place in our debate here

He went on to say in verse 21 "For although they knew God, they did not honor him as God or give thanks to him, but they became futile in their thinking, and their foolish hearts were darkened."

im sorry but again your wrong [kind of a habit here]

this thread has nothing to do with honoring god or giving him thanks

Faith is acceptance.

yes you have one right

it is acceptance in the face of no evidence or proof.

mostly I see faith used as a great cop out in debates

 

[Thief]

you do cross the line with script though, but only because yoy use it wrong



I am neither ungodly nor unrighteous







right NOW it is you that is guilty of suppressing the truth here.





what did god really show to who that is not about god????

has no place in our debate here





im sorry but again your wrong [kind of a habit here]

this thread has nothing to do with honoring god or giving him thanks




yes you have one right

it is acceptance in the face of no evidence or proof.

mostly I see faith used as a great cop out in debates

And denying spiritual existence for lack of evidence is also a cop out.

 

[outhouse]

And denying spiritual existence for lack of evidence is also a cop out.

really LOL

your as much a skeptic as I am, do you believe in the god of saturn? it has a day of the week named after it. Your deity doesnt lol

where did you hear about this spiritual existence?



ya I understand how a silly thing like asking for evidence or proof would bother you

 

[Thief]

really LOL

your as much a skeptic as I am, do you believe in the god of saturn? it has a day of the week named after it. Your deity doesnt lol

where did you hear about this spiritual existence?



ya I understand how a silly thing like asking for evidence or proof would bother you

Silly?...yes your post is indeed.

Bother me?....you can't.