Scientists create living eating and growing machines...

[Jollybear]

That's what the evidence shows. There is no evidence for your god, for your god creating anything let alone a fully formed man from the dirt which is what you believe.

Lol, no evidence huh? If theres no evidence, then theres equally no evidence for what you believe.

 

[Darkstorn]

Logic is my source and i use it. And its reliable.

That you consider yourself reliable is a sign of the Dunning-Kruger effect. You have failed to show yourself using logic.

I'm personally only certain of my uncertainty. My personal experience is only that. I'm not a reliable source in itself in this argument any more than you are, objectively speaking.

I showed you in a link. Richard dawkins and kruez.

You showed me a link to google with your own search term. That you believe the actual results support your claim is a sign of the Dunning-Kruger effect in action. You can't even spell "kruez"' real name. Even though you should be able to copy it if you read a single one of those results. I read them. Show me the same courtesy or stop lying.

A atheist on here, Christine believes something came from nothing. Ive talked to her in the past.

Bearing false witness and making lies of another member. Stop lying. You need to give me evidence for your stupid claim.

 

[SkepticThinker]

Lol, no evidence huh? If theres no evidence, then theres equally no evidence for what you believe.

 

[Jollybear]

It is adding a HUGE extra variable with no evidence. Inelegant is the nicest word to use.

If your view is speculative, then it has no evidence, or at best has just as much as mine. Personally i think mine has way more. And inelegance is not important to whats real or not.

Yes, it makes sense. If there is no 'before' then there were no things that existed 'before'.

How can there be no before?

 

[Cleary]

Only when the atheist can demonstrate life from random chance > no Biological ordered sequence < will they ever have a case ..
modern science has proven them wrong [*link removed by RF staff*]

 

[Darkstorn]

If your view is speculative, then it has no evidence, or at best has just as much as mine. Personally i think mine has way more. And inelegance is not important to whats real or not.

That's wishful thinking only. If you were reliable in any way you'd recognize it.

You are almost being proud. Even though you are acting like a stereotype.

 

[Jollybear]

The fact that Reality expanded from a point is pretty well established. There is no other reasonable explanation.
It's the physics of the singularity that's speculative.
Lack of understanding of plate tectonics is not evidence for dragons causing earthquakes.

Lack of understanding is not evidence of your speculation.

Goddidit is a simplistic resort to folklore and not an explanation of anything.

No thing did it is a sinplistic resort to folklore and not an explanation of anything.

Granted, it's counterintuitive, as is a lot of theoretical physics.
The physics and mathematics involved are way over my head,

If something is over your head, perhaps its false then. Because that which is false, CANNOT be understood by anyone.

but they've been experimentally verified over and over. Your computer and cellphone wouldn't work in a Newtonian universe. Relativity, Quantum mechanics, &al are real. Time and 'things" were "created" at the point of expansion.

Well, cell phones and computers are intelligently designed.

 

[Jollybear]

That you consider yourself reliable is a sign of the Dunning-Kruger effect. You have failed to show yourself using logic.

I'm personally only certain of my uncertainty. My personal experience is only that. I'm not a reliable source in itself in this argument any more than you are, objectively speaking.



You showed me a link to google with your own search term. That you believe the actual results support your claim is a sign of the Dunning-Kruger effect in action. You can't even spell "kruez"' real name. Even though you should be able to copy it if you read a single one of those results. I read them. Show me the same courtesy or stop lying.



Bearing false witness and making lies of another member. Stop lying. You need to give me evidence for your stupid claim.

I thought you read the past 2 years of my posts? If you did, you would have read my debate with Christine. She believes something came from nothing.

 

[Darkstorn]

If something is over your head, perhaps its false then. Because that which is false, CANNOT be understood by anyone.

Well, cell phones and computers are intelligently designed.

You are saying that even though computers and cell phones are evidence of quantum mechanics working even if they don't make sense to you.

As in, your "gotcha" ends up being an insult towards your own intelligence.

 

[We Never Know]

Lol, no evidence huh? If theres no evidence, then theres equally no evidence for what you believe.

Lol indeed. You believe god made a fully formed man from dirt. Why won't you accept life formed from chemicals?

Instead of throwing the hands in the air and saying god did it, science investigates and tries to understand and find answers. Science has uncovered lots of evidence to the universe and life, you've even seen it but won't accept it because you have more faith in a god doing it all so you just throw your hands up claiming god did it.

There is plenty we still don't understand or have answers for.
For example the singularity just didn't poof into existence. Where it came from and how is unknown. The universal laws and even time didn't exist at that point which even makes it harder to understand.
Some claim the laws created the universe but that would be hard being the laws didn't exist.
Some claim the universe created the laws, which would be hard to because the universe didn't exist.
Once it all started, for what ever reason or condition, I wonder did the laws create the universe or did the universe create the laws, it seems we can have one without the other.

 

[Darkstorn]

I thought you read the past 2 years of my posts? If you did, you would have read my debate with Christine. She believes something came from nothing.

Show it to me. **mod edit**

 

[Cleary]

Why won't you accept life formed from chemicals < omG !!! < just gotta laugh

 

[We Never Know]

Why won't you accept life formed from chemicals < omG !!! < just gotta laugh

Yeah it's laughable. By the way do you realize eight chemical elements comprise the majority of the mineral matter in soils.
Do you know what that means, you believe god created a fully formed grown man from chemicals.

 

[Jollybear]

Lol indeed. You believe god made a fully formed man from dirt. Why won't you accept life formed from chemicals?

Instead of throwing the hands in the air and saying god did it, science investigates and tries to understand and find answers. Science has uncovered lots of evidence to the universe and life, you've even seen it but won't accept it because you have more faith in a god doing it all so you just throw your hands up claiming god did it.

There is plenty we still don't understand or have answers for.
For example the singularity just didn't poof into existence. Where it came from and how is unknown. The universal laws and even time didn't exist at that point which even makes it harder to understand.
Some claim the laws created the universe but that would be hard being the laws didn't exist.
Some claim the universe created the laws, which would be hard to because the universe didn't exist.
Once it all started, for what ever reason or condition, I wonder did the laws create the universe or did the universe create the laws, it seems we can have one without the other.

God created the laws.

 

[Darkstorn]

God created the laws.

Another in-depth reply? You just keep on giving.

 

[We Never Know]

God created the laws.

There ya go. Throw your hands in the air and say god did it. SMH

 

[Jollybear]

Show it to me. **mod edit**

Ok, hold on i try to go dig for that past debate. Give me a few minutes or so.

 

[Valjean]

not at all .... the 3rd ingredient to life is total science < shall we continue ? ...
we'll talk 3rd element as soon as you can decipher what it is, if you can't, well, then why would I waste my time

Inside the Cell: DNA as a Library < Obviously you paid no attention ?

OK, I listened to it, but I don't see the point. This is simple, high school biology. It doesn't support or refute anything.

Is the fact that we don't perfectly understand all of biology some sort of argumentum ad ignorantiam, presented as support for divine design?

 

[Cleary]

lol ... There ya go. Throw your hands in the air and say it popped outta nothing < accidentally SMH

What's worse than being blind is having eyes and being unwilling to see --- Hellen Keller

><> Jesus <>< This is why I speak to them in parables: 'Though seeing, they do not see; though hearing, they do not hear or understand ..
In them the prophecy of Isaiah (6:8) is fulfilled: '
You will be ever hearing but never understanding; you will be ever seeing but never perceiving ----- Matthew 13:13-14 <><

 

[Jollybear]

There ya go. Throw your hands in the air and say god did it. SMH

Thats better then saying "nothing did it" or "naturalism did it"