Scientists create living eating and growing machines...

[Jollybear]

"Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour"

(He literally says something had to be there)

No, he said nothing gave rise to something.

 

[Darkstorn]

No, he said nothing gave rise to something.

He said "Something pretty mysterious had to give rise to the origin of the universe."

Something pretty mysterious is a far cry from "nothing." So stop lying.

We have the same video. Are you incapable of following his simple English?

That video is nothing more but a very poor attempt at discrediting a man. But it's contingent on ignoring his actual words... That happen to be IN the video.

 

[Cleary]

"Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour" < oh, that's funny

an atheist holding up a standard he doesn't even believe in

 

[Darkstorn]

I believe in that standard. Because it's not from the Bible originally. There are much earlier sources. It's one of the so called "golden rules." Which are pretty much "universally accepted moral standards." That we all tend to follow.

They weren't given to us by some Bearded Sky Wizard. Unless you wish to convey that he gave such knowledge first to a bunch of other religions you consider sacrilegious.

 

[Valjean]

If your view is speculative, then it has no evidence, or at best has just as much as mine. Personally i think mine has way more. And inelegance is not important to whats real or not.

That the BB happened is pretty well supported. The mechanisms, though, are not understood and under investigation.
"Goddidit" is not an explanation, nor is there any reason to inject such a bizarre variable into the debate. I could just as well claim an invisible pink unicorn did it. The evidence is exactly as strong as your God attribution.
Inelegance is important, though not infallible. Parsimony/Occam's razor are useful rules of thumb.

How can there be no before?

Weird, ain't it?
Modern physics is full of bizarre, counterintuitive, seemingly impossible paradoxes, which are completely established and verified, and upon which modern technology depends.
Our brains are wired to navigate a simple, time bound, cause and effect world; to find food and avoid leopards. Our conscious impressions are abstract symbols, maps and guages, not Reality. When it comes to physics, you can throw commonsense out the window.

 

[Cleary]

I believe in that standard. Because it's not from the Bible originally. There are much earlier sources. It's one of the so called "golden rules." Which are pretty much "universally accepted moral standards." That we all tend to follow.They weren't given to us by some Bearded Sky Wizard. Unless you wish to convey that he gave such knowledge first to a bunch of other religions you consider sacrilegious.

Just another opinion .... flying in the wind ... like "tending pretty much"

This shows how unique i am < only if another 'applies' that uniqueness to you

 

[Jollybear]

He said "Something pretty mysterious had to give rise to the origin of the universe."

Something pretty mysterious is a far cry from "nothing." So stop lying.

We have the same video. Are you incapable of following his simple English?

That video is nothing more but a very poor attempt at discrediting a man. But it's contingent on ignoring his actual words... That happen to be IN the video.

Like the priest even laughs at saying "its pretty funny how your trying to define nothing"

And ill add, its a contradiction to call nothing, something.

But, look at the rest of his words, he clearly says something comes from nothing.

 

[Darkstorn]

Just another opinion .... flying in the wind

Then debate it on its merits instead of acting like a judgmental fool. I've given your word the same standard of attention i've given mine, and all you do is act like a rude person.

Like the priest even laughs at saying "its pretty funny how your trying to define nothing"

And ill add, its a contradiction to call nothing, something.

But, look at the rest of his words, he clearly says something comes from nothing.

I did. You're still lying. Why?

Of course he's calling it something. Because he doesn't believe that things just poofed out of nothingness like i keep trying to tell you. It's you and similar minded people who want him to say a different thing than he actually said, then act as if it was said. Dishonesty.

By the way, the FULL title of the book Krauss wrote, is: A Universe from Nothing: Why There Is Something Rather than Nothing.

 

[Jollybear]

That the BB happened is pretty well supported. The mechanisms, though, are not understood and under investigation.
"Goddidit" is not an explanation, nor is there any reason to inject such a bizarre variable into the debate. I could just as well claim an invisible pink unicorn did it. The evidence is exactly as strong as your God attribution.
Inelegance is important, though not infallible. Parsimony/Occam's razor are useful rules of thumb.
Weird, ain't it?
Modern physics is full of bizarre, counterintuitive, seemingly impossible paradoxes, which are completely established and verified, and upon which modern technology depends.
Our brains are wired to navigate a simple, time bound, cause and effect world; to find food and avoid leopards. Our conscious impressions are abstract symbols, maps and guages, not Reality. When it comes to physics, you can throw commonsense out the window.

Verified huh? Lol, good one.

 

[Jollybear]

Then debate it on its merits instead of acting like a judgmental fool. I've given your word the same standard of attention i've given mine, and all you do is act like a rude person.



I did. You're still lying. Why?

Of course he's calling it something. Because he doesn't believe that things just poofed out of nothingness like i keep trying to tell you. It's you and similar minded people who want him to say a different thing than he actually said, then act as if it was said. Dishonesty.

No, YOU are lying. Thats the reality now.

 

[Darkstorn]

No, YOU are lying. Thats the reality now.

In your feeble mind. Nowhere in that video did he ever say that something came from nothing. Who edited the video inserted HIS own views on what he's about to say or misunderstanding what he said. Hear DAWKINS' words, not the guy who wants you to react a certain way.

Show me you are actually capable of acting like an intelligent human being instead of a stereotypical hate-spewing automaton.

 

[Cleary]

Then debate it on its merits instead of acting like a judgmental fool. I've given your word the same standard of attention i've given mine, and all you do is act like a rude person

no, not at all .... if there is no God .... then all we have are opinions

act like a rude person < well, if you believe being rude is wrong, then by all means, do not be a rude person

 

[Darkstorn]

no, not at all .... if there is no God .... then all we have are opinions

No. All you have is your opinions. Other people rely on accumulated evidence and observation. My observation is this: You are failing to address the points you think you've already demolished.

By the way, i'm ignoring you from now on. If you wish to goad me into taking part once more, review the forum rules first. Give me that courtesy.

 

[Cleary]

Other people rely on accumulated evidence and observation.
My observation is this: You are failing to address the points you think you've already demolished

wow !!! that's a nice opinion of yours .... did you just make that one up ??

I find it amazing how the chemicals are just crashing together today ... or should I say 'mysteriously' ha ha

btw: I thought I was on your 'ignore' list .... I guess the 'chemicals' deemed it not to be so .... DANG IT !!

He has blinded their eyes and hardened their hearts, so that they cannot see with their eyes,
and understand with their hearts, and turn, and I would heal them ..... John 12:40 <><

HEY !!! you're supposed to be ignoring this ... lol

 

[Bob the Unbeliever]

DNA is biological information sequence
your post above Bob ....... are the letters / spaces and punctuation - are they of category A or category B
A = random / mindless / no structured sequence (just where they happened to land) .. or
B = design / code / information / intent / writer-reader / speaker-listener / agenda driven / intelligence

STRAWMAN LOGICAL FALLACY. Neither A, nor B.

That's not how DNA actually works. It's NOT "code" and it is NOT "blue print"

It's not even "language" or "mathematics".

What DNA is? Is a molecule directive that fabricates proteins. That's it. DNA enables proteins to be fabricated within the cell.

So, it' not A and it's not B, above.

Clearly, you skipped or flunked 8th grade Biology class... perhaps you were on a team, and your coach got you a skip?

 

[Cleary]

STRAWMAN LOGICAL FALLACY. Neither A, nor B.

That's not how DNA actually works. It's NOT "code" and it is NOT "blue print"
It's not even "language" or "mathematics".

that's okay, I'll ignore the insults ...... sorry Bob, but you got your science all screwed up
DNA is indeed code / language / mathmatics

Out of all man's intelligence / ingenuity / inventions from ages past to ages present and future ...
has man EVER been able to invent a machine so complex that that machine has the ability to repair and duplicate itself .... YET .
EVERY living cell on our planet has that ability ..... to WHOM do you attribute this intelligence? bacause at this point, atheism is debunked

What DNA is? Is a molecule directive that fabricates proteins.
That's it. DNA enables proteins to be fabricated within the cell < really ?? ... why is this

btw Bob the Unbeliever ...... what did one dirt clod say to the other

 

[Jollybear]

In your feeble mind. Nowhere in that video did he ever say that something came from nothing. Who edited the video inserted HIS own views on what he's about to say or misunderstanding what he said. Hear DAWKINS' words, not the guy who wants you to react a certain way.

Show me you are actually capable of acting like an intelligent human being instead of a stereotypical hate-spewing automaton.

Dawkins said it right in the video.

 

[Jollybear]

.

He says "something can c ome from nothing".

 

[Darkstorn]

He says "something can c ome from nothing".

When you require sources that abruptly cut him off in the middle of a sentence then that should tell yourself something. You're using obvious attempts at discrediting him as actual evidence of his claims.

He also says you can dispute what's meant by nothing.

Yeah, to you it means something totally different than to a person who actually understands the term. That's how simple it really is. There is no such thing as absolute nothingness. At any point in the universe you look, there IS something. Any point in space or time.

Creationists make the mistake of constantly thinking that there was something "before" space and time. But time "began" with the universe. There was never, in any chronological definition, anything that could be considered "nothing."

I'm going to bet that to you "nothing" means a place with nothing you can see or feel. Well, good luck.

In Simple English: He's still not actually saying what you think he is. You're too hung up on misunderstanding what it means to be "nothing."

Dawkins said it right in the video.

No he did not. Unless you wish to quote mine him out of context like you did with this new video. That's dishonest. And you're doing it willingly.

 

[Jollybear]

When you require sources that abruptly cut him off in the middle of a sentence then that should tell yourself something. You're using obvious attempts at discrediting him as actual evidence of his claims.

He also says you can dispute what's meant by nothing.

Yeah, to you it means something totally different than to a person who actually understands the term. That's how simple it really is. There is no such thing as absolute nothingness. At any point in the universe you look, there IS something. Any point in space or time.

Creationists make the mistake of constantly thinking that there was something "before" space and time. But time "began" with the universe. There was never, in any chronological definition, anything that could be considered "nothing."

I'm going to bet that to you "nothing" means a place with nothing you can see or feel. Well, good luck.

In Simple English: He's still not actually saying what you think he is. You're too hung up on misunderstanding what it means to be "nothing."



No he did not. Unless you wish to quote mine him out of context like you did with this new video. That's dishonest. And you're doing it willingly.

Ok, i can concede that YOU dont believe something came from nothing.

But, DAWKINS does.