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Scientists say...

URAVIP2ME

Veteran Member
Don't scientists agree on a "Big Bang"? I mean they posit that something (a real small concentrated something) exploded. So --put more succinctly, those scientists that believe in the "Big Bang" seem to believe that there was something there before it exploded. Or caused the so-called Big Bang.
I like what I found at Psalm 104:30 that when God sends out His spirit things are created.
So, as Isaiah 40:26 mentions by God's Power and Strength thus God supplied the abundantly needed Dynamic Energy to create the material world.
 

YoursTrue

Faith-confidence in what we hope for (Hebrews 11)
I like what I found at Psalm 104:30 that when God sends out His spirit things are created.
So, as Isaiah 40:26 mentions by God's Power and Strength thus God supplied the abundantly needed Dynamic Energy to create the material world.
Similar to the idea that when an egg is fertilized in the womb a lot of information is packed into a tiny cellular structure.
 

shunyadragon

shunyadragon
Premium Member
Well do you suggest that the big bang occurred after an infinite number of seconds?....... do you think this is possible?

In my opinion this alternative is obviously absurd , how can an event happen after an infinite amount of seconds?......... by definition you can’t have “after infinity” in my opinion this is as absurd as a married bachelor or a triangle with 4 corners, …….. any scientific evidence confirming the beginning of the universe would be just a bonus that confirms what we already know.
It is accepted you reject science and your knowledge of science is very limited. the above does not remotely represent the current scientific of th eorigins of our universe.
 

YoursTrue

Faith-confidence in what we hope for (Hebrews 11)

shunyadragon

shunyadragon
Premium Member
I believe he did. "Because there is a law such as gravity, the universe can and will create itself from nothing," he writes.
Maybe he changed his mind again.
As far as I know of Hawking this represent no change in his view toward the origins of the universe or his beliefs,

One word of caution is the Hawking concept of nothing is NOT absolute nothing, but Quantum Nothing. This is compatible 'with Hawking's physics and cosmology of our 'boundless existence.

You are still clueless as to 'What scientist say . . . '
 

YoursTrue

Faith-confidence in what we hope for (Hebrews 11)
As far as I know of Hawking this represent no change in his view toward the origins of the universe or his beliefs,

One word of caution is the Hawking concept of nothing is NOT absolute nothing, but Quantum Nothing. This is compatible 'with Hawking's physics and cosmology of our 'boundless existence.

You are still clueless as to 'What scientist say . . . '
Like you know what nothing is?
 

shunyadragon

shunyadragon
Premium Member
Like you know what nothing is?
In Quantum Mechanics Physics yes, The Super Colliders are designed to explore the Quantum nothingness where energy and particles at the smallest scale exist.

You need to do your homework. You are still clueless as to 'What scientist say . . . '

Unified Concept of 'Nothingness': An Interdisciplinary Exploration of Quantum Physics and Vedic Philosophy.

Section 1: Quantum Physics Perspective of 'Nothingness'​

1.1 Quantum Vacuum​

In the field of quantum physics, the concept of 'nothingness' is redefined by the quantum vacuum, a state often mistaken for emptiness or void. Yet, this 'emptiness' is more akin to a bustling city at night — seemingly quiet but alive with hidden activities. The quantum vacuum, far from being devoid of action, is a canvas of fluctuating energy, much like the surface of a calm sea that, upon closer look, teems with undulating waves.
These fluctuations are not just theoretical postulations but have real effects, like the Casimir effect, where two plates in a vacuum will attract each other due to the differential vacuum energy between them and outside them. This is akin to two ships in a harbor drawing closer not due to their own motion but the waves between them.
 
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There was a start to the universe. Kind of, more or less. Like it blasted from a teeny, tiny substance. Moses knew the universe had a beginning. How did he know that? No telescopes, no space travel...so how do you think Moses knew that there was a beginning to the existence of the universe including the earth?
Maybe because Moses probably believed God created the universe at the beginning? This is not hard to answer and sounds more like trolling to me.

I can't answer "how" Moses knew anything. It's like asking how was moses literally able to part the red sea. Moses was just following orders from his God. Moses had his faith and that's it.
 
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shunyadragon

shunyadragon
Premium Member
YOU keep saying that I reject science……….. but you have been able to quote a single comments where my claims/opinions differ from what scientists say

Do you accept the sciences of evolution as the objectively verified by the evidence as the history of life in earth?
 

shunyadragon

shunyadragon
Premium Member
Yes I accept the current TOE (modern synthesis) which includes more than just random muattions + NS
Well the current sciences of evolution do not consider mutations random except for the timing of the event, and whether one event is beneficial, neutral or harmful. Mutations only determine the genetic diversity in populations necessary for natural selection,

Yes there is more, evolution is driven by changing environments,
 

leroy

Well-Known Member
Well the current sciences of evolution do not consider mutations random except for the timing of the event, and whether one event is beneficial, neutral or harmful. Mutations only determine the genetic diversity in populations necessary for natural selection,

Yes there is more, evolution is driven by changing environments,
annnnnnnnnnd
science has shown That the enviroment and selective preassures ocasionally also determine the direction, frequency and/or the probability of accruing a mutton.

Otherwise complex organs like the eye would have not evolved and many observatoins would have not been possible ..................... no YEC stuff here, just "normal" science In accordance with the scientific consensus
 

YoursTrue

Faith-confidence in what we hope for (Hebrews 11)
Maybe because Moses probably believed God created the universe at the beginning? This is not hard to answer and sounds more like trolling to me.

I can't answer "how" Moses knew anything. It's like asking how was moses literally able to part the red sea. Moses was just following orders from his God. Moses had his faith and that's it.
Oh. OK, thanks for clarifying (I think) your belief. Have a good day.
 
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