Screw you YouTube. I hope you do it.

[TransmutingSoul]

Because we already pay for YouTube with our data and with whatever content we upload onto YouTube?

I don’t know.


Humbly,
Hermit

That is what attracts people, but storage of data costs the provider, infrastructure, hardware, wages, how do you pay for that. Well sponsored adds or charge a fee, or both that enables a lower fee.

I mainly use it so I can share videos with friends on a personal level. I made one video about changing an oil filter on a Suzuki Grand Vitara, as that was so hard to find, I guessed others would have the same trouble. I note that had around 6000 views, the rest are in the tens of views.

Many try to use use it to make a living, so there is more money that needs to be covered. I notice a lot of those now have sponsored adds within the video's, so they get paid from other sources as well.

Anyway, these are basic business requirements. My guess is many have tried offering things for free, like Wiki, but in the end if we want the platform to work, we would most likely be happy to pay a reasonable fee. Wiki is always asking for help.

Regards Tony

 

[Revoltingest]

The problem with capitalism....
I don't get things I want for free.

 

[Twilight Hue]

That is what attracts people, but storage of data costs the provider, infrastructure, hardware, wages, how do you pay for that. Well sponsored adds or charge a fee, or both that enables a lower fee.

I mainly use it so I can share videos with friends on a personal level. I made one video about changing an oil filter on a Suzuki Grand Vitara, as that was so hard to find, I guessed others would have the same trouble. I note that had around 6000 views, the rest are in the tens of views.

Many try to use use it to make a living, so there is more money that needs to be covered. I notice a lot of those now have sponsored adds within the video's, so they get paid from other sources as well.

Anyway, these are basic business requirements. My guess is many have tried offering things for free, like Wiki, but in the end if we want the platform to work, we would most likely be happy to pay a reasonable fee. Wiki is always asking for help.

Regards Tony

Making it all but impossible for the viewer to tolerate the content that justifies what is worth viewing, can easily turn into a literal shooting oneself in the foot here.

YT is doing just exactly that.

 

[Quintessence]

Making it all but impossible for the viewer to tolerate the content that justifies what is worth viewing, can easily turn into a literal shooting oneself in the foot here.

YT is doing just exactly that.

Yup.

I didn't bother with JunkTube until the pandemic, but during that time I found a few casts I didn't mind wasting time on. Super easy for me to mute the TV and not look at the screen when they try to infect me with aids. But then they stopped doing a countdown warning. And adding more and more attempts at infecting me with their diseases in short videos - interruptions basically every 3-5 minutes? Yeah, no, aids are why I quit watching network television entirely twenty years ago and I ain't having it from JunkTube. So what was a new regular viewer they've now lost due to excessive aids, as now I only watch the one channel that has aids only at the start of their videos. Anything else I cannot stand without aids protection.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

You're getting a service that costs money to run for free. I don't see what the problem is with watching a few 10 second ads.

It's become a form of pollution and even with taking steps to avoid it we are still bombarded with advertisements and have reached a point where it become very difficult to not be looking at some advertisement.
There's also the predatory nature of many ads, and that alone is enough to tell them we aren't watching anymore until the predatory methods end and the manipulation behind advertising to children comes to a screeching halt.
We should be able to demand a people society, but advertisements ensures we'll continue to live in a materialistic and hyper competitive society.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Why should we expect these platforms to be free?

Pay the premium fee and get no adds.

Regards Tony

Or pay by watching the ads. Why do people feel so entitled to free material?

 

[Twilight Hue]

Or pay by watching the ads. Why do people feel so entitled to free material?

Because if it was pay, it wouldn't survive for very long.

Besides, don't offer it free in the first place if the intent is to try to guilt people into paying. Go all out as a pay service, and just shut up about it. (Not you, the video host) =0)

 

[Twilight Hue]

It's become a form of pollution and even with taking steps to avoid it we are still bombarded with advertisements and have reached a point where it become very difficult to not be looking at some advertisement.
There's also the predatory nature of many ads, and that alone is enough to tell them we aren't watching anymore until the predatory methods end and the manipulation behind advertising to children comes to a screeching halt.
We should be able to demand a people society, but advertisements ensures we'll continue to live in a materialistic and hyper competitive society.

I think the chronic infatuated impulse by people to put intrusive ads on absolutely anything and everything not nailed down is nothing less than a genuine bona-fide severe mental illness imo.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

I think the chronic infatuated impulse by people to put intrusive ads on absolutely anything and everything not nailed down is nothing less than a genuine bona-fide severe mental illness imo.

You'd need more than that. Like how the content and intention behind advertising is often anti-social, which we can see in how it preys upon children and enforces unrealistic expectations and standards as well as manipulation to trick people into wanting to buy whatever crap thats shoved in front of them.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Because if it was pay, it wouldn't survive for very long.

Besides, don't offer it free in the first place if the intent is to try to guilt people into paying. Go all out as a pay service, and just shut up about it. (Not you, the video host) =0)

You should realize that nothing in this world is free. As a conservative I simply do not see how you cannot understand that. This is the sort of behavior that I have seen you ascribe to liberals. And a lot of businesses use the idea of a free product to get people to use their goods initially This morning I had a free microwavable breakfast from Safeway. I was talking with a housemate about it and I complained because it was pretty good. Now I am very tempted to buy one. YouTube hooked you with free videos. You can go to another source, but they will not have the same quality and sooner or later they will have to charge too. That is just the way of the world. The stuff that you really want you will have to pay for sooner or later.

 

[sun rise]

MSN

YouTube limits ad blocker usage in new test | TechCrunch

YouTube is running a new experiment to limit usage on ad blockers by asking users to turn it off after three videos.

techcrunch.com

I use ad blockers and if this is the game they want to play, there are plenty of competitors who will take the entire viewer base with a royal middle finger to the greedy ***** and their bat**** crazy CEO.

It's just a test for the moment, but if they go full blown with the three strike rule, my sincerest wish is the entire platform dies the death it deserves so very much with its obnoxious unskippable ads along with it. Put it out of its misery. You Tube deserves it.

There was a time when annoying ads were all but non existent, and it was a great successful video sharing platform.

No more it isn't.

Buh Bye YT and good frikkin riddance forever if implemented systemwide.

Whoo.... end of rant. "0)

We live in a capitalist system. Whether we like it or not, businesses will do what they can to make money. Those who don't like the system are free to try to find someplace that does not work on the profit motive and good luck with that.

 

[sun rise]

I wouldn't have a problem with ads, as long as the majority of the revenue goes directly to the content producers. Without the content, there is no YouTube.

That's an old problem as musicians vs record companies history illustrates.

 

[Twilight Hue]

We live in a capitalist system. Whether we like it or not, businesses will do what they can to make money. Those who don't like the system are free to try to find someplace that does not work on the profit motive and good luck with that.

Yep I wish YT goes down for good if it keeps alienating its once loyal fanbase. They may not be around for much longer.

 

[Twilight Hue]

That's an old problem as musicians vs record companies history illustrates.

That as well and look at it now. Seems some compromises have been made.

 

[Twilight Hue]

You should realize that nothing in this world is free. As a conservative I simply do not see how you cannot understand that. This is the sort of behavior that I have seen you ascribe to liberals. And a lot of businesses use the idea of a free product to get people to use their goods initially This morning I had a free microwavable breakfast from Safeway. I was talking with a housemate about it and I complained because it was pretty good. Now I am very tempted to buy one. YouTube hooked you with free videos. You can go to another source, but they will not have the same quality and sooner or later they will have to charge too. That is just the way of the world. The stuff that you really want you will have to pay for sooner or later.

It's why I'm not against advertising, but even advertising has that red line where if you antagonize your viewers enough, you won't have a business at all in the end.

 

[Stevicus]

It's why I'm not against advertising, but even advertising has that red line where if you antagonize your viewers enough, you won't have a business at all in the end.

I think they should put a national tax on advertising and TV commercials.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

That as well and look at it now. Seems some compromises have been made.

Where? The music industry is still vehemently anti-musician. Digitizing it and oaid streaming services haven't been for their benefit but for the gain of the record and streaming companies.

 

[Twilight Hue]

Where? The music industry is still vehemently anti-musician. Digitizing it and oaid streaming services haven't been for their benefit but for the gain of the record and streaming companies.

It's why they have contracts. Just don't sign them them first if not happy about it. Otherwise, there is no right to complain and whine about things if nothing has been breached making it their own damm fault.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Where? The music industry is still vehemently anti-musician. Digitizing it and oaid streaming services haven't been for their benefit but for the gain of the record and streaming companies.

to be fair the music industry is organized. Individual artists and groups lack that organization. Some of the firs to jump onto digitizing etc. were individual musicians, but since they have no organization those media were eventually taken over by those in the industry that did understand how to do an organized approach to a problem. They merely have different goals than you do. Their goal is to make money. And the also know that if they own the contracts of a musician that is very talented that they can become rich together. Yes, a lot of very good talent gets lost and ignored that way, but that has always been the way of all arts.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

to be fair the music industry is organized. Individual artists and groups lack that organization. Some of the firs to jump onto digitizing etc. were individual musicians, but since they have no organization those media were eventually taken over by those in the industry that did understand how to do an organized approach to a problem. They merely have different goals than you do. Their goal is to make money. And the also know that if they own the contracts of a musician that is very talented that they can become rich together. Yes, a lot of very good talent gets lost and ignored that way, but that has always been the way of all arts.

They don't always get rich together. From Dee Snyder said Twisted Sister didn't make much money from that act.
Amd from my own dealings, those involved with money side of entertainment are often the scummiest people you'll meet, even at smaller and local levels.