Scriptural Prophecies

[wizanda]

what kind of world would we be living in today?

Too many variables; don't know.

In my opinion.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

The Christians will refer to over 300 verses in the OT they believe relates to Christ.

Here's a few to get us started:

Jesus' name will be 'Immanuel'. Matthew 1:22-3, Isaiah 7:14

'Out of Egypt I called my son'. Mt 2:18. Hos 11:1

A ruler will come from Bethlehem. Mt 2:6, Mic 5.2

The massacre of the innocents. Mt 2:18, Jer 31:15

Beyond the Jordan, the people who sat in darkness saw a great light. Mt 4:15, Isa 9:1-2

He Himself took our infirmities/ and bore our sicknesses. Mt 8:17, Isa 53:4

Prophetic praise of Jesus, His character and ministry to the Gentiles. Mt 12:18-21, Isa 42:1-4

He will speak in parables. Mt 13:35, Ps 78:2

The Messiah will enter Jerusalem on a donkey. Mt 21:4-5, Zech 9:9

Anything out of sicpture?

So far, we are learning about the apostles as historical figures not spiritual ones. If there are fulfiled prophecies, there would be written history.

 

[james dixon]

Too many variables; don't know.

In my opinion.

Then prophesize a little and give me your best guess?

No religion, no bibles
What guidance would we have to lean on?
What would society look like?

I know, too many questions
which is my mistake
in the first place

 

[Dawnofhope]

Anything out of sicpture?

So far, we are learning about the apostles as historical figures not spiritual ones. If there are fulfilldd prophecies, there wod be written history.

All I have provided is linking the OT with the NT. Any scripture needs to be understood in historic context and keeping in mind who wrote what and why.

In regards history, other than Josephus and Tacitus we don't have a lot to go on.

The Christian fundamentalist will argue its all black and white and very clear.

The atheists will argue its all so vague that we can't much at all.

The truth lies somewhat in between.

 

[2ndpillar]

there are far better ways to evaluate the legitimacy of a faith.

Pray tell.

 

[Faithofchristian]

What, in relation to history, that convinces you as a christian that the fulfilled prophecies in the bible are connected to the god you believe in without the validity of the bible to confirm the prophecies written?

What prophecies have been fulfilled? Please be specific. Nichiren Diashonin has prophecies when he was imprisoned in Japan. During the Japanese war, he said he knew that the different Buddhist schools will separate and monks will loose their truth to speak of The Dharma. Interestingly enough, though vague, we have many more modern temples that drop a lot of the cultural necessities of the religion in favor for the basics and up-to-date version. So, The dharma (lowercase) is slowly becoming lost. While this is an accurate prediction it is too vague to consider it a divine prophecy. Even so, the prophecy is not mere the point but without without, what it teaches. So, what makes it important is not the prophecy and fulfillment but the actual message of The Dharma that's been transmitted (and hopefully not lost) from teacher to disciple.

What, in relation to history, that convinces you as a christian that the fulfilled prophecies in the bible are connected to the god you believe in without the validity of the bible to confirm the prophecies written?

What prophecies have been fulfilled?

If there were no prophecies fulfilled and no history that talks about god, would you know god?

It's funny that you should ask, what Prophecies have been fulfilled.
When your fulfilling Prophecy.
And not even aware of it.
Now that's amazing.

 

[Vinayaka]

Pray tell.

Behaviour of adherents.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

All I have provided is linking the OT with the NT. Any scripture needs to be understood in historic context and keeping in mind who wrote what and why.

In regards history, other than Josephus and Tacitus we don't have a lot to go on.

The Christian fundamentalist will argue its all black and white and very clear.

The atheists will argue its all so vague that we can't much at all.

The truth lies somewhat in between.

So far in history Im learning jesus, paul, and john are treated as historical figures who influenced how the Roman Empire (late) way after Constitine as well. Were on the Bezatene era.

It doesnt address any prophecies; nothing spiritual. Im assuming if it were true, it would be written down so we can cross references specifcs outside the bible. So far, its all history.

Is there anything in historical scripture that predicts the fugure of a supernataral event rather than continuations of historical ones?

Im not concerned with atheists and fundamentalist christians. Right now, just scripture and history.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

It's funny that you should ask, what Prophecies have been fulfilled.
When your fulfilling Prophecy.
And not even aware of it.
Now that's amazing.

What prophecies have been fulfilled today thats written in our history in order for us to correlate it as a prophecy even outside the bible?

There should be a historical record of these prophecies not just a spiritual one.

 

[2ndpillar]

Behaviour of adherents.

Hey, that is what Yeshua preached. (Mt 7:15-23) The difference is that there are consequences for not feeding the hungry (Mt 25:31-46), whereas those who do not take care of the needy will wind up in a bad place. And yes "Christianity" is built on the false prophet Paul, and the "worthless shepherd" (Zech 11:17) Peter, but they will held accountable, as well as those who followed them.

Mt : 15“Beware of the false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly are ravenous wolves. 16“You will know them by their fruits. Grapes are not gathered from thorn bushes nor figs from thistles, are they? 17“So every good tree bears good fruit, but the bad tree bears bad fruit. 18“A good tree cannot produce bad fruit, nor can a bad tree produce good fruit. 19“Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. 20“So then, you will know them by their fruits.

 

[Vinayaka]

Hey, that is what Yeshua preached. (Mt 7:15-23) The difference is that there are consequences for not feeding the hungry (Mt 25:31-46), whereas those who do not take care of the needy will wind up in a bad place. And yes "Christianity" is built on the false prophet Paul, and the "worthless shepherd" (Zech 11:17) Peter, but they will held accountable, as well as those who followed them.

Mt : 15“Beware of the false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly are ravenous wolves. 16“You will know them by their fruits. Grapes are not gathered from thorn bushes nor figs from thistles, are they? 17“So every good tree bears good fruit, but the bad tree bears bad fruit. 18“A good tree cannot produce bad fruit, nor can a bad tree produce good fruit. 19“Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. 20“So then, you will know them by their fruits.

But of course, lol.

 

[Dawnofhope]

So far in history Im learning jesus, paul, and john are treated as historical figures who influenced how the Roman Empire (late) way after Constitine as well. Were on the Bezatene era.

Cool. What's the title of the course?

It doesnt address any prophecies; nothing spiritual. Im assuming if it were true, it would be written down so we can cross references specifcs outside the bible. So far, its all history.

History courses generally avoid looking at scripture, instead dealing with known historic fact.

Is there anything in historical scripture that predicts the fugure of a supernataral event rather than continuations of historical ones?

The Olivet Discourse (eg Matthew 24) refers to both historic and supernatural events. For example the destruction of the second temple in 70 AD (historic) and the stars falling from heaven (supernatural).

Im not concerned with atheists and fundamentalist christians. Right now, just scripture and history.

Then that's a good place to be

 

[Unveiled Artist]

Cool. What's the title of the course?

Its history and appreciation of art. Goes into a lot of prehisoric history. Great class. A lot of memorization involved.

History courses generally avoid looking at scripture, instead dealing with known historic fact.

Somewhat. If there are so many prophecies it should be one of the highlights of history. It doesnt need to be religious and spiritual just documented the correlations between one source and another. We go through belief in gods since its very important in the meaning behind the arts in that time period. Anything "supernatural" is in the eye of the beholder. A christian my confirm his belief because history says John and Paul were real people. Others see them as real people but they influnce late Romes politics more so than religion.

History is very important. One confirmation bias, interestingly enough, is the word His Story implying the word was referring to jesus story. Dont know the history of the word but His could be anyone.

The Olivet Discourse (eg Matthew 24) refers to both historic and supernatural events. For example the destruction of the second temple in 70 AD (historic) and the stars falling from heaven (supernatural).

There is a lot of correlation between bible and history. The Ephesians are an example and corinthians (corinthians art such as temples columns compared to doric and ionic). Trying to remember the events in Ephesians. Our next chapter is on the apostle John, and Paul I think.

If supernatual influenced facts that we can look up, then we would have record that events such as the passage you quoted and the Roman Temple one would not just have a historical relation but if there was a spiritual significance, we should be able to see that too.

Supernatual, if real, doesnt need to mystical. If its part of history, a lot of religious history not just abrahamic, it should show itself. Historians would have a field day.

Then that's a good place to be

Yep. After I stopped practicing christianity, I didnt have the them vs. me truth anymore that I see in all abrahamic religions. Breathe of fresh air.

 

[socharlie]

What, in relation to history, that convinces you as a christian that the fulfilled prophecies in the bible are connected to the god you believe in without the validity of the bible to confirm the prophecies written?

What prophecies have been fulfilled? Please be specific. Nichiren Diashonin has prophecies when he was imprisoned in Japan. During the Japanese war, he said he knew that the different Buddhist schools will separate and monks will loose their truth to speak of The Dharma. Interestingly enough, though vague, we have many more modern temples that drop a lot of the cultural necessities of the religion in favor for the basics and up-to-date version. So, The dharma (lowercase) is slowly becoming lost. While this is an accurate prediction it is too vague to consider it a divine prophecy. Even so, the prophecy is not mere the point but without without, what it teaches. So, what makes it important is not the prophecy and fulfillment but the actual message of The Dharma that's been transmitted (and hopefully not lost) from teacher to disciple.

What, in relation to history, that convinces you as a christian that the fulfilled prophecies in the bible are connected to the god you believe in without the validity of the bible to confirm the prophecies written?

What prophecies have been fulfilled?

If there were no prophecies fulfilled and no history that talks about god, would you know god?

Akashic records - Wikipedia
there are people capable to read Akashic records. e.g. Edgar Cayce, Rudolf Steiner.
Rudolf Steiner noted that reading is not easy and not always clear.
I think that most prophets have visions which they can describe but not always explain.
The Death of Henry II of France - Nostradamus Predictions

 

[2ndpillar]

There should be a historical record of these prophecies not just a spiritual one.

History is written by the victors, and is not always accurate. An example would be the battle of Milvian bridge in 312 AD, recorded by the church historian Eusebius, who was also the court historian for Constantine. His story was that Constantine had a vision from Christ, with respect to Constantine was to conquer under this sign of the cross. Another version of the story was that it was Sol Invictus who presented the vision in the sky to Constantine. The problem with Eusebius's story is that Constantine minted a coin the next year with his image with that of Sol Invictus. And in 321, Constantine decreed that the day of the sun, Sunday, which was the day of Sol Invictus, would be the day of rest, and no shops or government offices could be open. That is what is known through the 20th century as the blue laws. Don't believe everything you read. The gospel of Yeshua was left pristine, because no one could understand it, for it was in parables. The same could be said for Daniel, because the meaning was sealed up until the "end time", such as the "end of the age" (Daniel 12:10).

Another prophecy fulfilled would be the prophecy of Judas selling out Yeshua for 30 shekels of silver (Mt 27:9-10), whereas that was prophesized in Zechariah 11:12-13. The church hid that piece of information by referring it to Jeremiah, which made no mention of that prophesy. The church did that change, because Zechariah 11 is a prophecy against the church of Peter and Paul, who are also mentioned along with Judas Iscariot.

It is hard to find unbiased history. The best history about the early Roman church is a book by the 20th Century English historian, Michael Grant, in his book "Constantine the Great: the man and his times".

Zechariah 11:12I said to them, “If it is good in your sight, give me my wages; but if not, never mind!” So they weighed out thirty shekels of silver as my wages. 13Then the LORD said to me, “Throw it to the potter, that magnificent price at which I was valued by them.” So I took the thirty shekels of silver and threw them to the potter in the house of the LORD.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

History is written by the victors, and is not always accurate. An example would be the battle of Milvian bridge in 312 AD, recorded by the church historian Eusebius, who was also the court historian for Constantine. His story was that Constantine had a vision from Christ, with respect to Constantine was to conquer under this sign of the cross. Another version of the story was that it was Sol Invictus who presented the vision in the sky to Constantine. The problem with Eusebius's story is that Constantine minted a coin the next year with his image with that of Sol Invictus. And in 321, Constantine decreed that the day of the sun, Sunday, which was the day of Sol Invictus, would be the day of rest, and no shops or government offices could be open. That is what is known through the 20th century as the blue laws. Don't believe everything you read. The gospel of Yeshua was left pristine, because no one could understand it, for it was in parables. The same could be said for Daniel, because the meaning was sealed up until the "end time", such as the "end of the age" (Daniel 12:10).

Another prophecy fulfilled would be the prophecy of Judas selling out Yeshua for 30 shekels of silver (Mt 27:9-10), whereas that was prophesized in Zechariah 11:12-13. The church hid that piece of information by referring it to Jeremiah, which made no mention of that prophesy. The church did that change, because Zechariah 11 is a prophecy against the church of Peter and Paul, who are also mentioned along with Judas Iscariot.

It is hard to find unbiased history. The best history about the early Roman church is a book by the 20th Century English historian, Michael Grant, in his book "Constantine the Great: the man and his times".

Zechariah 11:12I said to them, “If it is good in your sight, give me my wages; but if not, never mind!” So they weighed out thirty shekels of silver as my wages. 13Then the LORD said to me, “Throw it to the potter, that magnificent price at which I was valued by them.” So I took the thirty shekels of silver and threw them to the potter in the house of the LORD.

Isnt this evidence that history is linked to biblical history without regards to spiritual prophecies?

I mean we startee to get to biblical history between the Greeks and Ephesians. Then we went to Rome and left off after the Roman Empire fell. Im sure a lot of these events especially the NT can be found in these events especially the art of that day to today but this is history. Whether its in the bible, Church Vatican, or Library of Congress (federal library throughout the States), they ate interrelated.

When you have, for example, the literal resurrection and jesus body missing from the tomb, I raise an eye. Im not familar with many biblical prophecies before the gospels. The prophecy that jesus will return, what facts lead to that conclusion beyond spiritual conviction and belief in as fact?

 

[Unveiled Artist]

Another prophecy fulfilled would be the prophecy of Judas selling out Yeshua for 30 shekels of silver (Mt 27:9-10), whereas that was prophesized in Zechariah 11:12-13. The church hid that piece of information by referring it to Jeremiah, which made no mention of that prophesy. The church did that change, because Zechariah 11 is a prophecy against the church of Peter and Paul, who are also mentioned along with Judas Iscario

These are prophecies within the bible. How does it affect history outside the bible to where The Church has reason to "hide" it. The Church has a lot of documents that only a few can read. I saw a documentary on it. Even US history (Im in the states), a lot of its unpublished events are held overseas.

Unless they are hidding supernatural prophecies, it sounds like just plain history. Being in the bible wouldnt be any different than reading thd suttas or indigenous history with their myths, practices, and religious truths that survive and practiced today. Given many religions have prophecies what makes biblical ones accurate besides the million people who are christians (etc) and the continuation of political issues throught Eureopean history and the States?

Unless the Church is hidding the spiritual part, which would be odd since they publize finding miracles and continue to make present believers as saints. We're still trying to confirm whatever they round is Noah Arch.

Honestly, I feel a lot of it, the spiritual correlations, are wishful thinking. We havent graduated in thought about the nature of supernatural and neurotheology, the study of the supernatural to find source and understanding of its role in neurology etc.

 

[wizanda]

Then prophesize a little and give me your best guess?

That isn't a prophecy, it would just be a random guess; as humanity has evolved with them structures, if they were not there, some other structures would have evolved that could have been far worse.

What guidance would we have to lean on?

We're all meant to listen to the inner voice of God within us, as we're in a simulated reality where the CPU (God) creates it at a quantum level.

Reality its self is coded in such a way it educates us by its principles; religions generally lead us away from God, into man-made objections to things.

In my opinion.

 

[12jtartar]

What, in relation to history, that convinces you as a christian that the fulfilled prophecies in the bible are connected to the god you believe in without the validity of the bible to confirm the prophecies written?

What prophecies have been fulfilled? Please be specific. Nichiren Diashonin has prophecies when he was imprisoned in Japan. During the Japanese war, he said he knew that the different Buddhist schools will separate and monks will loose their truth to speak of The Dharma. Interestingly enough, though vague, we have many more modern temples that drop a lot of the cultural necessities of the religion in favor for the basics and up-to-date version. So, The dharma (lowercase) is slowly becoming lost. While this is an accurate prediction it is too vague to consider it a divine prophecy. Even so, the prophecy is not mere the point but without without, what it teaches. So, what makes it important is not the prophecy and fulfillment but the actual message of The Dharma that's been transmitted (and hopefully not lost) from teacher to disciple.

What, in relation to history, that convinces you as a christian that the fulfilled prophecies in the bible are connected to the god you believe in without the validity of the bible to confirm the prophecies written?

What prophecies have been fulfilled?

If there were no prophecies fulfilled and no history that talks about god, would you know god?

Carlita,
One great thing that has happened in history, the Bible has been tried to be destroyed over and over again, but the God of the Bible said that He would protect His words from all generations, Psalms 12:6,7. If the message from God was corrupted, it would not be God’s words, Isaiah 40:8, 1Peter 1:25. Many religious leaders in history have tried to keep the Bible in a dead language, such as Latin, and tried to keep the Bible from the hands of the common people, so that the religious leaders could put their own explanation as to what it said. They all failed, because money were ready to put their own lives at stake to translate the Bible in hundreds of languages over the years, and many were tortured and killed, but the word of God kept spreading, with no one being able to stop it.
As for Prophecies, the Bible has many, and it you stop to really think about that, you will understand that it is impossible for for ant man to know what will happen the next day, much less days or even many years, as many prophecies in the Bible do.
Some of the greatest prophecies recorded are in Daniel, in fact most of Daniel is prophecy. First, consider the prophecy recorded at Daniel 9:24-27. This was about the exact time that the long awaited Messiah, Christ would come. This prophecy spaned a period of 490 years. This is taking the Seventy Weeks as years, there are 7 days in a week, so 7X 70=490. This was a prophecy that the Jews understood, and they were in expectation of the Messiah, Luke 3:15. That is why, when John the Baptist came 6 months before Jesus came, they thought John the Baptist was the Messiah, Luke 3:15-17. This prophecy told about the coming of the Messiah, about him being killed in the middle of the week and about the destruction of Jerusalem and the Temple that represented the the place that God blessed. Because of the Jews leaving God He allowed them to be destroyed, but He saved
a Remnant, the people who obeyed Him, as He always will.
There is another prophecy that is extremely important, the prophecy that fortold the asecond coming of Jesus, and just before he comes to earth he would be given The Crown, of The Kingdom of God. This prophecy was mentioned several times, but the prophecy in Daniel actually gives the date of Jesus getting that Crown. The time period was 2,520 years, recorded at Daniel 4:10-37. This prophecy had a small fulfillment on Nebuchadnezzar, the King of Babylon, and a greater fulfillment on Jesus and the Kingdom of God. Nebuchadnezzar destroyed Jerusalem and the great Temple that Solomon had built. That was symbolized by the great Tree being cut down and banded. The Tree represented the Theocracy on earth at that time, which stopped in 607BCE. The end of that prophecy was 1914, when Jesus received his Crown in heaven, to rule in the midst of his enemies for a short while, Revelation 6:2, Psalms 110:1-6. Notice what would happen at the time Jesus became King, War in Heaven first, Revelation 12:7-9. The verses 12:1-6 seams about the birth of the Kingdom. The verses 12:10-12 tells us what happened after Satan was thrown down to earth, Woes from then on until Jesus comes to earth to Judge the earth at Armageddon, Revelation 16:12-16, speaks in symbols about the kingdoms of the earth fighting against the King of God’s Kingdom at Armageddon, also mentioned at Revelation 1911-21, which is actually Armageddon, The Judgment of the world by Jesus, Acts 17:31, Matthew 25:31-46.
Many prophecies were not understood until they were being fulfilled, or fulfilled. Then they are easy for a person who understands the. Bible.
Another remarkable prophecy concerspns Cyrus the Great, who God used to conquer Babylon and let His people loose from captivity and return home to Jerusalem. this prophecy mentioning Cyrus was written over a hundred years before Cyrus was born, even mentioning his name, and even telling how he would conquer Babylon, who, because of its great walls, and metal gates, and rivers diverted around it, people thought it was impossible to conquer, Isaiah 44:24-28, 45:1-6.
There are so many prophecies, it would take the Bible to record them all, but they are probably the most proof of God authoring the Holy Bible, because no one else could write these things before they happened, and cause them to happen, just as prophesied.
There are many more proofs, such as the order of creation, which even scientists are accurate.
Many thing written in the Bible were not known by ang human, at the time of writing, and some things not known for centuries, Job 26:7,10, Isaiah 40:22. In the Mosaic Law Covenant there were written many laws about hygiene that no one knew about, but that saved the lives of many of the Jews. There were laws about what not to eat, one being pork, which would have killed many if they had eatened this meat in the climate they lived in, with no refrigeration.
There are so many things in the Bible that point to a superior mind and Almighty Power, that only God could do.
One thing ai like to repeat; mathematicians say that the odds of things just happening as they are today, is 1= to all the atoms in the known universe. Anything happening with odds more than 40,000 to 1 is considered, impossible!!!

 

[Faithofchristian]

What prophecies have been fulfilled today thats written in our history in order for us to correlate it as a prophecy even outside the bible?

There should be a historical record of these prophecies not just a spiritual one.

The Prophecies that Christ Jesus had given, are not something that's put in historical records of man's.


These Prophecies are given in the spiritual context, those that have eyes to see and ears to hear, what the Spirit of God is saying, shall see and hear.

Seeing you don't have any of these, shows you have no knowledge of spiritual things.

Therefore as you speak, you are in the fulfilling Prophecy.
"But, beloved, remember you the words which were spoken before of the apostles of our Lord Jesus Christ, How that they told you there should be mockers in the last time, who should walk after their own ungodly lusts"
Jude 17,18.

We are now in that last time. Of this worlds history.
Therefore you are fulfilling Prophecy.

For every time you and anyone else speaks, are bringing Prophecy to it's fulfillment.