Scripture says God is in Hell!

[Spirit of Light]

But I asked God nicely to keep Satan away from me and not let me be deceived. I feel like God tells me he wants Satan to control earth!

God give you strenght to keep Satan/temptation away, but it is up to you to do the work

 

[Spiderman]

God give you strenght to keep Satan/temptation away, but it is up to you to do the work

I'm doing the work! I get angry at God for good reasons, and when he is cruel, mean, and unjust. I praise and thank him when he is nice, and for the good things in life.

 

[Spirit of Light]

I'm doing the work! I get angry at God for good reasons, and when he is cruel, mean, and unjust. I praise and thank him when he is nice, and for the good things in life.

The challenge is to praise God when everything is difficult too its from the difficult times we learn

 

[firedragon]

God is also an Alien, because he wasn't born on planet earth!

Does the Bible say that God was born?

 

[MyM]

I'm doing the work! I get angry at God for good reasons, and when he is cruel, mean, and unjust. I praise and thank him when he is nice, and for the good things in life.

But don't you see the hypocritical stance? Oh so nice things you get you say thank you and the things that are not nice you don't. That is purely selfish if you are wanting your creator to be on your side. Means also very unthankful for the things you do have.

In Islam, we never are to look at the things other people have that are better. We are to look at those below us to be thankful for what we do have. This way we praise our Creator even more and give him the thanks he deserves. If you constantly change your thinking of I'm good so thank you and you didn't do this so I'm not, you are actually making yourself out to be arrogant and better than God. He created you and he knows what is best for everyone. You cannot judge God the way you do for it will mean nothing in the end.

 

[Spiderman]

The challenge is to praise God when everything is difficult too its from the difficult times we learn

I sometimes do that!

 

[Spiderman]

Does the Bible say that God was born?

The Bible says "the word was God, and the word became flesh, and dwelt among us"...

Also, God wasn't originally from planet earth!

 

[Spiderman]

But don't you see the hypocritical stance? Oh so nice things you get you say thank you and the things that are not nice you don't. That is purely selfish if you are wanting your creator to be on your side. Means also very unthankful for the things you do have.

In Islam, we never are to look at the things other people have that are better. We are to look at those below us to be thankful for what we do have. This way we praise our Creator even more and give him the thanks he deserves. If you constantly change your thinking of I'm good so thank you and you didn't do this so I'm not, you are actually making yourself out to be arrogant and better than God. He created you and he knows what is best for everyone. You cannot judge God the way you do for it will mean nothing in the end.

If God stands by idly while a child gets raped and tortured to death, he deserves no praise for being a cruel coward! When God leaves people blind, confused, disabled, injured, agonizing, miserable, and deaf, and refuses to guide and lead those who seek him, he deserves only to be criticized for being so extremely cruel!

 

[firedragon]

The Bible says "the word was God, and the word became flesh, and dwelt among us"...

How does that make "God was born"?

 

[MyM]

If God stands by idly while a child gets raped and tortured to death, he deserves no praise for being a cruel coward! When God leaves people blind, confused, disabled, injured, agonizing, miserable, and deaf, and refuses to guide and lead those who seek him, he deserves only to be criticized for being so extremely cruel!

You don't know anything about stuff like that. You don't know what is in store for things to come do you? Do you know that a child automatically goes to heaven without judgement if bad things do happen to him/her? Whereas the one that is committing the atrocities, if not turned to Allah, will be cursed and thrown into hellfire. Do you know that things do happen to good people but maybe there could be underlying circumstances that no one knows about? (Bible also teaches that btw) You don't know the hearts of those people or how that Allah knows what is in their hearts do you? Allah created people to worship him. How do you know that those people who were given those disabilities isn't a test from Allah? How do you know that even the ones that are good in this earth that they hate Allah inside with passion? How do you know that Allah does these things to just good people because they are happy? How do you know that Allah isn't testing you right now? How do you know that what Allah does according to your own limited capacity of knowledge, isn't what is better for that person? How do you know that what is done bad to a person can get him out of hellfire and on the path to Allah? Do you know the future? Do you know how Allah thinks? What gives you the right to judge with your limited knowledge of your own Creator? How do you know that Allah takes away the pain for those who are being hurt? How do you know that Allah loves all human beings?

one cannot.

 

[Wildswanderer]

The main prayer Christians are supposed to pray, would not beg God to stop leading them into temptation, unless it was common for God to lead people into temptation!

Um false equivocation.

 

[RestlessSoul]

“The mind is it’s own place, and in itself
Can make a Heaven of Hell, a Hell of Heaven.”

- John Milton, Paradise Lost

If God is loving and merciful - as Milton’s God was - then we can turn to him even from the depths of our self created hell. In fact, sometimes it seems it is necessary to know something of hell, before turning to God and allowing him to lead us to heaven

 

[Spiderman]

But don't you see the hypocritical stance? Oh so nice things you get you say thank you and the things that are not nice you don't. That is purely selfish if you are wanting your creator to be on your side. Means also very unthankful for the things you do have.

In Islam, we never are to look at the things other people have that are better. We are to look at those below us to be thankful for what we do have. This way we praise our Creator even more and give him the thanks he deserves. If you constantly change your thinking of I'm good so thank you and you didn't do this so I'm not, you are actually making yourself out to be arrogant and better than God. He created you and he knows what is best for everyone. You cannot judge God the way you do for it will mean nothing in the end.

If that is hypocritical, no problem.

To praise and submit to a God who brutally afflicts and tortures people incessantly, is worse than supporting a bloodthirsty, cruel, barbaric Dictator.

Maybe God wants me to oppose him on certain things. It's the noble thing to do.

 

[MyM]

“The mind is it’s own place, and in itself
Can make a Heaven of Hell, a Hell of Heaven.”

- John Milton, Paradise Lost

If God is loving and merciful - as Milton’s God was - then we can turn to him even from the depths of our self created hell. In fact, sometimes it seems it is necessary to know something of hell, before turning to God and allowing him to lead us to heaven

The way Allah describes Hellfire in Islam, no one has the capability of even knowing what hell is gonna be like...we have descriptions, but to experience it, even metaphorically, is out of any man's scope.

But knowing as you said the torturous hellfire, it does make you go towards Allah and ask of him.

 

[MyM]

If that is hypocritical, no problem.

To praise and submit to a God who brutally afflicts and tortures people incessantly, is worse than supporting a bloodthirsty, cruel, barbaric Dictator.

Maybe God wants me to oppose him on certain things. It's the noble thing to do.

Well, if you feel you should oppose him, go ahead. I gave you the warning but it's on you now

Good luck!

 

[Spiderman]

Well, if you feel you should oppose him, go ahead. I gave you the warning but it's on you now

Good luck!

Well, even if there are consequences, it is still the right thing to do.

God tortures and kills far more people than Adolf Hitler, and the tortures God has are worse and last longer.

For a lot of people, they were warned to not speak against Hitler too, and they suffered death or torture for doing so, tens of millions.

They still did the right thing.

I oppose God trying to get him to change his mind and not be so cruel and unjust to people. It is the right thing to do.

A lot of people just bend the knee to God because they are scared of him, not because they agree with him.

Also, in the Old Testament , God was going to destroy Israel, and Moses disagreed with God, argued with god, essentially he told God that God's plans were stupid with a different choice of words.

Moses stated that his plans were better than God's, and scripture says " God repented of the evil he planned on doing to Israel".

If all Moses did was bend the knee and go along with God , and surrender and submit to god, God would have destroyed all of Israel in the wilderness. It's a good thing Moses fought with god.

My last name is an alternative for Jacob. In the Old Testament God says of jacob, "you have fought with God and you have fought with man, and you have won", and his name was changed to Israel which means, "one who fights with God." Sometimes it is the right thing to fight with God!

Also, Islam is responsible for more oppression and killing of innocent people and terrorism in my lifetime than every other religion combined.

There are a lot of religions in this world, and in my lifetime you can combine them all together, and they have not killed as many people for religious reasons as Islam has, or been as responsible for as much terrorism in the name of God, as Islam has.

Islam currently in our world is a religion that has raised up regimes that oppress more people in the name of God, and rob more people of freedom of speech, than all non-Muslim religions combined.

Islam currently oppresses hundreds of millions of people, robbing them of basic liberties. It is extremely sad what Islam has done to our world!

Jesus said "you will know a false prophet by their fruits!" He said a bad tree produces bad fruit!

All one has to do is look at the world around us, and we can see the fruit of islam! It was started as a very violent intolerant religion, and the Quran is full of violence, bigotry, judgments, condemnation, hatred, and even has very graphic tortures of cutting off people's hands and feet, crucifying people, pouring boiling water on people, and burning people, for opposing the Prophet!

! It is thoroughly disturbing and disgusting to cut off people's hands and feet and torture people to death! Yet it is in the Islamic holy book and glorified!!

Every current country that is predominantly muslim, and has an Islamic government, is a nation that Islam violently conquered with the sword, and outlawed basic liberties, and persecuted other religions!

In Saudi arabia, the Muslim holy land and capitol, where Mecca is located, there is not a single church or synagogue or Pagan Temple! There is not a single religious structure in Saudi Arabia that is not Muslim! It is because of pure intolerance and bigotry promoted in the Quran!

They also cut off hands and heads, because that was the practice of Muhammad , and it is promoted in the quran, and many people in my lifetime have been stoned to death by Islamic regimes, crucified, or died in some extremely barbaric way , for simply questioning islam, or being accused of adultery, or being homosexual, or whatever!

There is not one single country in the world that is predominantly christian, that outlaws mosques or outlaws all religious structures that are not christian!

Yet Muslims do this! Jews do not do this, I don't know of any Religion that does or executes this kind of bigotry but islam! It speaks volumes about what kind of a religion Islam is!

 

[John D. Brey]

According to the King Jimmy Bible, God is actually in Hell!

Psalm 139
King James Bible
If I ascend up into heaven, thou art there: if I make my bed in hell, behold, thou art there"

This actually makes total sense, if indeed God is omnipresent, by The very definition of the word omnipresent, it means he would have to be in all places, and in all realms at once, including hell!

God is also an Alien, because he wasn't born on planet earth!

So if God is in hell, could it be that God and the devil are actually one!??

This makes sense if you consider the fact that the prayer Jesus teaches people to pray, above all prayers, contains "lead us not into temptation."

And who according to Christian theology leads people into temptation, but the devil himself.

It seems to me like God wants to live life through his creatures, and experience life and the world through his creatures, and one of those creatures would be the devil.

As I said, God and the devil have so much in common, God enables and gives Satan so much power, they should simply get married!

. . . Pure kabbalah. Impressive!



John

 

[Mark Charles Compton]

So if God is in hell, could it be that God and the devil are actually one!??

Before time existed, The Monad was everything. He never stopped being everything when He bore us of His mind. He is within all of us, He is you as well as Him being The Morning Star and the Elohim.

That does not make you Him, nor any of the other names mentioned. We are all but the tiniest of fragments of what it is to be Him, yet He is all of the being that we call 'self'.

 

[Spiderman]

. . . Pure kabbalah. Impressive!



John

I rated your post winner, even though I detect sarcasm.

Why thank you kind sir! I always like it when you have something to say at one of my threads.

You strike me as a philosopher who married a woman who is his torture stake and instrument of penance (cross).

I found my true love and cross, but the difference is she turned down my proposal, shunned me, ran for the hills over my fervent, burning, passionate, unconditional, altruistic love for her like she is family, that lasted years , and I jumped off a three story building the same day she turned down my marriage proposal!

I still feel the holy spirit telling me to devote my whole life to praying for her to become a Saint, and treat her as though she is my wife, even if we don't talk again, and then I will have her companionship in the next life!

My surname is alternative for Jacob, husband of Leah. Her name is Lia, ecclesiastical latin alternative for Leah, and Leah was rejected, unwanted, and abused her whole life, so Spiritual writers say she represents the cross. She is the cross I carry daily. So, I named my cross Lia.

Leah also is represented by the Moon in the Old Testament, so I named the Moon Leah (Lia in Latin), and salute + sing to the moon like a werewolf!

If God wants me to have a marriage to my true love, that she recognizes (i already believe God provided a spiritual sacrament of matrimony binding my soul to hers) that it will happen, if I pray daily and diligently for it and bless her, interceding for her night and day??

At any rate, Please explain how Kabbalah applies to the OP. I understand the Hebrew Jewish mysticism piece, but could you offer more insights?

 

[Viker]

God is also an Alien, because he wasn't born on planet earth!

Then, where was he born?