Scripture says God is in Hell!

[Mark Charles Compton]

The conflict between God and devil is one of the pathos that drives the dialogue throughout the kabbalistic texts.

Have you read, or heard of, "The Kybalion" - By the Three Initiates?

A free audiobook on Youtube:

Also, I didn't know that was taught in Kabbalah! It is good info to know!

I welcome you to also take a listen, It mentions briefly how the 'Mysteries' were meant to be taught from tutor to student, in a one-on-one fashion. If I were a gambling man, I would wager both of you would find it as an intriguing listen.

Love and be loved friends!

 

[tom foolery]

but from there to the present day word does not seem so much of a leap, does it?

 

[tom foolery]

It isn't Islam that does these things. PEOPLE DO.
In UAE there are churches ...now they are building a temple for jews....

I think your hatred for Islam has made you listen to the bad people who hate it. I really think you need to understand that there are bad and good people in every religion. But to blame God isn't the way to go in my opinion.

exactly. people are to blame. every religion says they preach a message of love and tolerance. but religions have been at war since people were people. not the same religions, not the same beliefs until the last few thousand years.

I stand in agreement with your clear belief that Protestantism is a bunch of unbiblical manmade garbage heresy!

I can tell from your posting history that you feel that way!

Where you and I differ though is, if God would let any creature be tortured in flames for ever, including Satan, then God is not love!

No one loving allows their sick dog with rabies to go on living, but puts the dog out of it's misery, if there is no cure to it's illness or agony!

God could ease suffering in Hell. God could bring some form of anesthesia and bring amusement and euphoria to Hell!

God doesn't have to leave people in eternal misery, agony, regret, guilt, shame, hatred, and toxic emotions!

Any God who would create a creature with feelings, knowing that the creature would suffer, and the suffering would never end, is the epitome of sick, foul, disgusting, cruel, terrible, evil, and despicable, according to how I define what all those words mean, and according to what my conscience tells me is right and wrong, and what love actually is and means!

If that is our God, it will be total Hell for me spending an eternity in Heaven worshipping such a sick, foul, disgusting, ridiculously cruel being!

If that is God, then I hate him, and I regret the fact that he ever formed me in my mother's womb, that I would have to be his creation, that I would have to deal with him, that he would call me to be in Heaven with his cruel, sick , disgusting ***, or that he would condemn me to Hell!

I cannot, nor ever could I bring myself to love a God who would be so cruel as to torture a creature or being forever and ever and ever, never giving them a second chance, eternal hopelessness, eternal torment!

If that is our God, he is worse than Ted Bundy, Jeffry Dahmer, Adolf Hitler, Joseph Stalin, and countless of the worse criminals combined!

They didn't cause as much agony as such a disgusting God causes, if indeed that is the God we have!

no. because they were who they were. god created them all. the fate of everything, everyone was sealed at the creation of the universe. if god is both omnipotent and omnicognisant and created the universe it is all god's plan. there is no free will. everyone has their parts to play. some go to heaven some to hell. all decided at the exact instant the universe came into being. all puppets of the divine plan.. you sound a little distressed compared to our talk earlier. did something happen?

 

[Colt]

According to the King Jimmy Bible, God is actually in Hell!

Psalm 139
King James Bible
If I ascend up into heaven, thou art there: if I make my bed in hell, behold, thou art there"

This actually makes total sense, if indeed God is omnipresent, by The very definition of the word omnipresent, it means he would have to be in all places, and in all realms at once, including hell!

God is also an Alien, because he wasn't born on planet earth!

So if God is in hell, could it be that God and the devil are actually one!??

This makes sense if you consider the fact that the prayer Jesus teaches people to pray, above all prayers, contains "lead us not into temptation."

And who according to Christian theology leads people into temptation, but the devil himself.

It seems to me like God wants to live life through his creatures, and experience life and the world through his creatures, and one of those creatures would be the devil.

As I said, God and the devil have so much in common, God enables and gives Satan so much power, they should simply get married!

Hell is a fictional place created by primitive minds who needed a place where bad people went after they left earth. Primitive man seemed to believe that everyone went to the "spirit world" after death. So those that were not "good" in life were put into the hell place after death.

 

[Mark Charles Compton]

Hell is a fictional place created by primitive minds who needed a place where bad people went after they left earth. Primitive man seemed to believe that everyone went to the "spirit world" after death. So those that were not "good" in life were put into the hell place after death.

Or could Hell and Heaven be a state of mind? Similar to when someone's 'life flashes before their eyes' in a moments time. Perhaps at our finality, we regret or relish in general or a particular aspect of our experiences. Perhaps Hell is when you die in a high emotional state.

Another take could be that 'primitive' man was clever enough to use idealisms to manipulate other men into doing his bidding, and the mark of his accomplishments are still found upon the land. Man is a violent, stubborn, and rebellious beast... Special cases require special tactics.

 

[Spiderman]

exactly. people are to blame. every religion says they preach a message of love and tolerance. but religions have been at war since people were people. not the same religions, not the same beliefs until the last few thousand years.

no. because they were who they were. god created them all. the fate of everything, everyone was sealed at the creation of the universe. if god is both omnipotent and omnicognisant and created the universe it is all god's plan. there is no free will. everyone has their parts to play. some go to heaven some to hell. all decided at the exact instant the universe came into being. all puppets of the divine plan.. you sound a little distressed compared to our talk earlier. did something happen?

Something did happen yes. Every day people are in agony and heartbreak, losing loved ones, losing homes, committing suicide, being paralyzed from the neck down, etc, and I am aware that God leaves the world confused. It is extremely sad , the sick world we live in !

 

[Spiderman]

was it a hard no? because if you were with her for a while and thought it was right it sounds like you thought she felt the same way. if that was the case maybe there was something you did not know. could be as simple as bad timing.

It was an embarrassing "no", but it seemed like she found me charming, like she found my company intriguing and entertaining, and amusing, but that she also maybe found me frightening and weird in the head.

I wasn't sober when I proposed, so I thought to save myself embarrassment , and save her the grief of a guy who fervently passionately loves her, I would just simply cease to exist, by offing myself.

So, I put on a scapular and miraculous medal in case God exists, but I basically turned into an agnostic when I jumped and lost all hope in spiritual sentient beings!

I found my true love and cross, but she turned down my proposal, shunned me, ran for the hills over my fervent, burning, passionate, unconditional, altruistic love for her like she is family, that lasted years , and I jumped off a three story building the same day she turned down my marriage proposal!

I still feel the holy spirit telling me to devote my whole life to praying for her to become a Saint, and treat her as though she is my wife, even if we don't talk again, and then I will have her companionship in the next life!

My surname is alternative for Jacob, husband of Leah. Her name is Lia, ecclesiastical latin alternative for Leah, and Leah was rejected, unwanted, and abused her whole life, so Spiritual writers say she represents the cross. She is the cross I carry daily. So, I named my cross Lia.

Leah also is represented by the Moon in the Old Testament, so I named the Moon Leah (Lia in Latin), and salute + sing to the moon like a werewolf!

The cross and the Moon are the symbols of Christianity and Islam, two most powerful Religions in the world!

If God wants me to have a marriage to my true love, that she recognizes (i already believe God provided a spiritual sacrament of matrimony binding my soul to hers) that it will happen, if I pray daily and diligently for it and bless her, interceding for her night and day??

You wouldn't have the answer, but do you have a guess!?

Anyway, I have had lots of strange paranormal experiences linked to this woman, that no woman has ever caused to happen to me.

34 years I have lived and never experienced that, and I have never loved a creature or human a fraction of as much as I love her.

I don't think I will find that again. She was my destiny!

EDIT: oh, I just read you are agnostic. Obviously you believe God will not grant me that kind of a relationship with Lia then.

 

[Dogknox20]

I stand in agreement with your clear belief that Protestantism is a bunch of unbiblical manmade garbage heresy!

I can tell from your posting history that you feel that way!

Where you and I differ though is, if God would let any creature be tortured in flames for ever, including Satan, then God is not love!

No one loving allows their sick dog with rabies to go on living, but puts the dog out of it's misery, if there is no cure to it's illness or agony!

God could ease suffering in Hell. God could bring some form of anesthesia and bring amusement and euphoria to Hell!

God doesn't have to leave people in eternal misery, agony, regret, guilt, shame, hatred, and toxic emotions!

Any God who would create a creature with feelings, knowing that the creature would suffer, and the suffering would never end, is the epitome of sick, foul, disgusting, cruel, terrible, evil, and despicable, according to how I define what all those words mean, and according to what my conscience tells me is right and wrong, and what love actually is and means!

If that is our God, it will be total Hell for me spending an eternity in Heaven worshipping such a sick, foul, disgusting, ridiculously cruel being!

If that is God, then I hate him, and I regret the fact that he ever formed me in my mother's womb, that I would have to be his creation, that I would have to deal with him, that he would call me to be in Heaven with his cruel, sick , disgusting ***, or that he would condemn me to Hell!

I cannot, nor ever could I bring myself to love a God who would be so cruel as to torture a creature or being forever and ever and ever, never giving them a second chance, eternal hopelessness, eternal torment!

If that is our God, he is worse than Ted Bundy, Jeffry Dahmer, Adolf Hitler, Joseph Stalin, and countless of the worse criminals combined!

They didn't cause as much agony as such a disgusting God causes, if indeed that is the God we have!

Spiderman It comes with "Free Choice"! To give man free Choice you must allow them to pick hate if they chose to pick it! God is LOVE!
God loves us so much he took our place in death.. Death is no more! ALL... Everyone lives forever the choice is WHERE...? Where do you CHOSE to live forever!?
You say; "God is cruel"... But you want the freedom to chose?! You cannot have it both ways!
God would never ever put himself into Gehenna the lake of fire... All who CHOSE to LOVE have God inside!
All who make the CHOICE to NOT LOVE; all who chose to hate do NOT have God inside! There is NO hate allowed into heaven! ONLY LOVE enters heaven!
To get rid of Gehenna is to say there is DEATH that death was not destroyed!
QUESTION: Did Jesus' sacrifice accomplish what he intended!? THINK: There was NO death in the beginning death entered creation with the introduction of sin!

 

[Dogknox20]

Yes, in the Hebrew sheol was the abode of the dead ( grave ).
Yes, on the day righteous Jesus died Jesus went to hell - Acts 2:27 - biblical hell meaning the grave.
( The grave for the sleeping dead - John 11:11-14; Psalms 115:17; Isaiah 38:18; Ecclesiastes 9:5 )
King James changed the word Gehenna (garbage pit) into English as: hell fire.
The definition of the lake of fire is ' second death ' according to Revelation 20:13-14.
Sinner Satan ends up, Not in any hell, but in ' second death ' - Revelation 21:8.
Since Jesus destroys Satan ( see Hebrews 2:14 ) then ' second death ' stands for: destruction.
This is why Scripture teaches destruction for the wicked - Psalms 92:7; Psalms 104:35; Proverbs 2:21-22.

Since ' death ' is the total price tag that sin pays - see Romans 6:23; Romans 6:7 - then there is No post-mortem penalty, No double jeopardy for the dead because they are acquitted of sin.

Sinner Satan's home was never hell/sheol and never will be; Satan will be abyssed - Revelation 20

YES.. Exactly...

41 “Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels.
46 “Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life.”
&
47 And if your eye causes you to stumble, pluck it out. It is better for you to enter the kingdom of God with one eye than to have two eyes and be thrown into hell,
48 where
“‘the worms that eat them do not die,
and the fire is not quenched.

 

[Spiderman]

Spiderman It comes with "Free Choice"! To give man free Choice you must allow them to pick hate if they chose to pick it! God is LOVE!
God loves us so much he took our place in death.. Death is no more! ALL... Everyone lives forever the choice is WHERE...? Where do you CHOSE to live forever!?
You say; "God is cruel"... But you want the freedom to chose?! You cannot have it both ways!
God would never ever put himself into Gehenna the lake of fire... All who CHOSE to LOVE have God inside!
All who make the CHOICE to NOT LOVE; all who chose to hate do NOT have God inside! There is NO hate allowed into heaven! ONLY LOVE enters heaven!
To get rid of Gehenna is to say there is DEATH that death was not destroyed!
QUESTION: Did Jesus' sacrifice accomplish what he intended!? THINK: There was NO death in the beginning death entered creation with the introduction of sin!

God wanted sin because He tempted Adam and Eve with forbidden fruit, God created the serpent, God let the serpent into the garden of Eden (where was our knight in shining armor to protect us), and God made Eve so stupid that she would listen to a talking snake!

Also, God cursed us all to be sinful and die, with the curse of original sin, God made us inclined to sin, God made women suffer and die from child birth, because of sins of Adam and Eve!

I didn't ask to be born! Life is a torturous curse for countless people! I have lived in multiple ghettos where I have met countless people who the most kind thing a mother could do for them and society, is get an abortion!

God wanted sin to come into the world, or he wouldn't have made humanity so sick, so inclined to sin, he would speak up, give me understanding and wisdom and strength I pray for, give me sound mind, fill me with the Holy Spirit, and anoint me to make a good difference in the world, anoint me and teach me to maximize my potential.

By leaving people so sick and confused and tempted by demons, by cursing people with original sin, by hiding the truth, and by hiding himself, and refusing to speak up, God is asking for sin in our world!

I have met Jehovah's witnesses and Protestants who know "God's word" inside and out, who try their best to do God's will, who think the Catholic Church is evil, Idolatrous, whore of Babylon, that used to burn people at the stake for translating the Bible into the vernacular, and trying to make the Bible available to all.

They think the Catholic Church is evil because Catholics bow and kneel before graven images, the Catholic Church supported crusades and inquisitions, and crowned Kings and Emperors like Charlemagne and Napoleon, as a major political power and entity!

They don't know they are rejecting the truth! God being silent and giving us a confusing Bible that stirs up anti-catholic beliefs, is responsible for their confusion, sin, heresy, and them leading people astray!

It's a terrible friggin nightmare what God has done to be cruel and torture humanity! I see no love there! Just cruelty and apathy!

 

[Dogknox20]

I was recently led to hypothesize (no evidence or proof) that the word could actually be related to the reason we call Ancient Greeks "Hellenes".
We currently have very little information outside of 'Homer's Iliad' who Hellen or his tribe the Hellenes were and what their practices/lifestyles involved. In the Iliad, it mentions that before the tribe's patriarch Hellen, the name Hellas did not exist... <--- That's where I get my assumption/hypothesis.

During the 320s, Constantine commissioned his mother Helena to travel to the Holy Land to identify Biblical sites (where new churches would be built) and relics (which would be brought back to Rome). Helena’s journey, considered by some to be the first true Christian pilgrimage, looms large in the history of the Church.

What does the word 'hell' mean in Greek?
hades- place of the dead. This place corresponds with Sheol. God’s people used to live here before the ascension of Christ.
The term ‘hades’ is always used by the Lord.
In Revelation 1:18, Christ declares he has the key to Hades. Also, in Revelation 6:8 we see Hades riding behind Death on the pale horse.
Finally, in Revelation 20,14 God casts Death and Hades into the lake of fire.

 

[Dogknox20]

God wanted sin because He tempted Adam and Eve with forbidden fruit, God created the serpent, God let the serpent into the garden of Eden (where was our knight in shining armor to protect us), and God made Eve so stupid that she would listen to a talking snake!

Also, God cursed us all to be sinful and die, with the curse of original sin, God made us inclined to sin, God made women suffer and die from child birth, because of sins of Adam and Eve!

I didn't ask to be born! Life is a torturous curse for countless people! I have lived in multiple ghettos where I have met countless people who the most kind thing a mother could do for them and society, is get an abortion!

God wanted sin to come into the world, or he wouldn't have made humanity so sick, so inclined to sin, he would speak up, give me understanding and wisdom and strength I pray for, give me sound mind, fill me with the Holy Spirit, and anoint me to make a good difference in the world, anoint me and teach me to maximize my potential.

By leaving people so sick and confused and tempted by demons, by cursing people with original sin, by hiding the truth, and by hiding himself, and refusing to speak up, God is asking for sin in our world!

I have met Jehovah's witnesses and Protestants who know "God's word" inside and out, who try their best to do God's will, who think the Catholic Church is evil, Idolatrous, whore of Babylon, that used to burn people at the stake for translating the Bible into the vernacular, and trying to make the Bible available to all.

They think the Catholic Church is evil because Catholics bow and kneel before graven images, the Catholic Church supported crusades and inquisitions, and crowned Kings and Emperors like Charlemagne and Napoleon, as a major political power and entity!

They don't know they are rejecting the truth! God being silent and giving us a confusing Bible that stirs up anti-catholic beliefs, is responsible for their confusion, sin, heresy, and them leading people astray!

It's a terrible friggin nightmare what God has done to be cruel and torture humanity! I see no love there! Just cruelty and apathy!

Adam did not love God!
Adam did not love Eve!
Eve did not love Adam!
They were removed because they CHOSE to not love! Only love is allowed into heaven!

You point and say "Look God allows sin"! The sinner has a chance to reform and repent as long as he lives he has hope! God allows HOPE.. it is a loving God that allows Hope!

 

[Mark Charles Compton]

Helena’s journey, considered by some to be the first true Christian pilgrimage, looms large in the history of the Church.

Interesting. The Hellen I was referring is a male patriarch of an obscure tribe in the time of the Myceneans or before during the time of the Minoans of Crete. Linear A remains undeciphered, so there's a lot that is up in the air involving the nuances and details of this time in history.

 

[1213]

what language is that?

The original Hebrew word for “hell” in that is שאול , which can be translated “grave”, or “sheol”.

 

[Dogknox20]

Interesting. The Hellen I was referring is a male patriarch of an obscure tribe in the time of the Myceneans or before during the time of the Minoans of Crete. Linear A remains undeciphered, so there's a lot that is up in the air involving the nuances and details of this time in history.

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Helena’ went to the Holy Land to preserve Christian history. She wanted to find the accrual "Cross" Jesus died on among many other things the Tomb, the room of the last supper etc..

 

[Dogknox20]

The original Hebrew word for “hell” in that is שאול , which can be translated “grave”, or “sheol”.

Yes when the early Christians made the creeds they used the word for "Hell" for the “grave”, or “sheol”! TODAY....

1213 today the word "Hell" means the place of damnation or the home of Satan! The people from the Great De-Formation rejected a stage where the soul could be sanctified after death.. They taught a soul went up to heaven or down to damnation... No praying for the dead!
I feel sorry for the protestors.. They care for their children with such love then reject: "refuse" to pray for the Childs soul when the child dies!

 

[A Vestigial Mote]

Talk about jumping to conclusions. I think this is quite illogical if you're serious but me thinks you're just venting and ranting. None of this really makes much sense.

Unfortunately for whatever it is you'd like to be the reality of this Bible business, most of what @Spiderman has posted is completely cogent and just takes what is written literally, without trying to inject a bunch of fluff and nonsense in order to make it more palatable.

For example, the question of whether or not God might be the one "lead[ing] us into temptation" is a pretty big one, that @Spiderman is not at all the first to ask or make mention of. In fact, Pope Francis basically took his foot and shoved it in his mouth on this very topic, claiming that this idea of God "lead[ing] us into temptation," as part of that oh-so-famous prayer that Jesus asks his followers emulate, is due to a translation error! Oops. Fluff and nonsense detected!

The idea of God being an "alien" may not be something you're too keen on being generally accepted, however you can't beat the logic that God wasn't born on Earth, is not a resident of Earth, and therefore is "alien" in many key respects that would warrant using that term. One of the definitions of "alien" is simply "not one's own", so NO MATTER WHAT, the term "alien" can easily be applied to God. Unless you'd like to admit that God is basically "of my own" - that is, that God is one of my kind, and your kind, and @Spiderman's kind. So how about it? Sound like a fun time?

If God is omnipresent... then He is in hell. And He is in the devil, and He is in my butt-crack, etc. There's no getting around that. The very definition of the word denies any of your complaints a foothold in any mind that cares not to be deceived by garbage rationalizations and poor excuses.

The idea that God is "living life through His creatures" certainly isn't new (try Hinduism and "Brahman")... and while it may very well not be correct, it's just a bit of fancy if it isn't, and certainly doesn't fit the descriptions of "illogical", "venting" or "ranting" you seem to want to give it.

If the stories of God from The Bible are accurate, then God has broken His own commandments. FACT. It is a super simple, and classic case of "Do as I say, not as I do." You can't deny this without committing a "Pope Francis." (see paragraph 2 above). And God is also evidenced to have requested that others break His commandments. "Go in and slaughter those people" said God... and they did. Again.. you can't deny this. Can't.

In the end, all you really needed to say was "I don't like what you said"... and then maybe cry a bunch or something to try and elicit some sympathy for your case... which you DIDN'T MAKE IN THE FIRST PLACE. You just made an assertion, with the hope that it would stick. I suggest you clean up your act, bub.

 

[Mark Charles Compton]

Helena’ went to the Holy Land to preserve Christian history. She wanted to find the accrual "Cross" Jesus died on among many other things the Tomb, the room of the last supper etc..

I could suss out how that story could be a metaphor representing Constantine's victory that resulted in ending the warring caused by the divide of the eastern and western church.

"Constantine sent [brought] Helena [Hellenes/Greeks] his mother to the Holy Land [the Lament], where they preserved were converted to Christianity, thus solidifying its position in history."

Roman Gods were birthed from the Greek... i.e. 'mother', get it?



P.S. That was totally off the top of my head, with no intent of distaste or disrespect.

 

[Spiderman]

Unfortunately for whatever it is you'd like to be the reality of this Bible business, most of what @Spiderman has posted is completely cogent and just takes what is written literally, without trying to inject a bunch of fluff and nonsense in order to make it more palatable.

For example, the question of whether or not God might be the one "lead[ing] us into temptation" is a pretty big one, that @Spiderman is not at all the first to ask or make mention of. In fact, Pope Francis basically took his foot and shoved it in his mouth on this very topic, claiming that this idea of God "lead[ing] us into temptation," as part of that oh-so-famous prayer that Jesus asks his followers emulate, is due to a translation error! Oops. Fluff and nonsense detected!

The idea of God being an "alien" may not be something you're too keen on being generally accepted, however you can't beat the logic that God wasn't born on Earth, is not a resident of Earth, and therefore is "alien" in many key respects that would warrant using that term. One of the definitions of "alien" is simply "not one's own", so NO MATTER WHAT, the term "alien" can easily be applied to God. Unless you'd like to admit that God is basically "of my own" - that is, that God is one of my kind, and your kind, and @Spiderman's kind. So how about it? Sound like a fun time?

If God is omnipresent... then He is in hell. And He is in the devil, and He is in my butt-crack, etc. There's no getting around that. The very definition of the word denies any of your complaints a foothold in any mind that cares not to be deceived by garbage rationalizations and poor excuses.

The idea that God is "living life through His creatures" certainly isn't new (try Hinduism and "Brahman")... and while it may very well not be correct, it's just a bit of fancy if it isn't, and certainly doesn't fit the descriptions of "illogical", "venting" or "ranting" you seem to want to give it.

If the stories of God from The Bible are accurate, then God has broken His own commandments. FACT. It is a super simple, and classic case of "Do as I say, not as I do." You can't deny this without committing a "Pope Francis." (see paragraph 2 above). And God is also evidenced to have requested that others break His commandments. "Go in and slaughter those people" said God... and they did. Again.. you can't deny this. Can't.

In the end, all you really needed to say was "I don't like what you said"... and then maybe cry a bunch or something to try and elicit some sympathy for your case... which you DIDN'T MAKE IN THE FIRST PLACE. You just made an assertion, with the hope that it would stick. I suggest you clean up your act, bub.

Amen! Preach it bro! That looks like a Divinely inspired post, if I've ever seen one!

 

[Spiderman]

Yes when the early Christians made the creeds they used the word for "Hell" for the “grave”, or “sheol”! TODAY....

1213 today the word "Hell" means the place of damnation or the home of Satan! The people from the Great De-Formation rejected a stage where the soul could be sanctified after death.. They taught a soul went up to heaven or down to damnation... No praying for the dead!
I feel sorry for the protestors.. They care for their children with such love then reject: "refuse" to pray for the Childs soul when the child dies!

And who do you think is responsible for all this confusion?, but the God who leaves people confused and stupid, refuses to enlighten them, and left us with a Bible that sometimes tells us to do the opposite of what Catholics do.

If God would speak up, less confusion and division. God leaves us blind. God lets the devil tempt us.

God is the author of confusion!