Searching for proof of God/Islam - Tell me why I'm wrong

[Tumah]

I know of the true accounts of the Apostles. I don't need any other testimony, I already have the 4 testimonies in the New Testament.

You can try this, for starters:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crucifixion_of_Jesus#Other_accounts_and_references

Are you referring to the letter that a a man wrote to his son about the Jews (not the Romans) killing one of their own?
Look, you've been living by this false doctrine called the NT, that only leads to hell. I'm just trying to help bring you back to Almighty G-d.

 

[First Baseman]

Are you referring to the letter that a a man wrote to his son about the Jews (not the Romans) killing one of their own?
Look, you've been living by this false doctrine called the NT, that only leads to hell. I'm just trying to help bring you back to Almighty G-d.

I will no longer hear you concerning this matter.

Have a good day and may God have mercy on your soul.

 

[Tumah]

I will no longer hear you concerning this matter.

Have a good day and may God have mercy on your soul.

What? Why? I'm just exercising my first amendment right to free speech.
If you think I'm being rude, well, its for your benefit!
Can't you see I'm just trying to help you?

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

Lol.

 

[Prestor John]

I could never accept Mohammad as a prophet because he denies the divinity of Christ.

Not to mention some other things he said and did that I believe are not congruent to being a true prophet.

 

[loverofhumanity]

I could never accept Mohammad as a prophet because he denies the divinity of Christ.

Not to mention some other things he said and did that I believe are not congruent to being a true prophet.

Muhammad was perfect like Jesus. Muhammad taught Christ was from God.

1.7 billion people today believe in Jesus because of Muhammad. Muhammad was the greatest Teacher of Christ humanity has ever known.

All that Muhammad rejected were the false interpretations Christians have about the Bible and Jesus. There are over 3,000 sects of Christianity today with 3,000 different interpretations of the Bible which all contradict one another.

Muhammad did no wrong but His followers, like Christians have committed many atrocities. So let him who is without sin cast the first stone. Jerusalem 1099 - praise given to Christ after the massacre of innocent women and even babies in Jerusalem . My case is that what the followers have done does not mean Christ or Muhammad are responsible.

 

[jonathan180iq]

Sorry that the post is so long. Essentially, I've put forward my thoughts on why religion, specifically Islam, has a supernatural origin to it.

I'm looking for you to debate & poke holes in what I've written to show any faults in my thinking. I want to find out what the weaknesses in my argument are.

In summary, I want you to tell me why I'm wrong.

Pick a religion that you don't believe in and start with that...

Search for evidence of the supernatural outside of Allah and the Quran, that way your personal bias won't distract you.

What you'll find is that you can justify the deity and faith of almost anything when you focus solely on what that particular religion has to say.
That alone should tell you everything you need to know about faith, as long as you aren't scared of being honest with yourself.

You've been doing a lot of reading about Allah from Muslim sources, I assume?
Focus that same amount of energy into reading about pagan gods from pagan sources, for example.
If what you currently believe about your god to be true is actually true, then you have nothing to fear, right?
If what you currently believe turns out to be a bunch of superstitious mythology, then there's no harm in leaving it, since you shouldn't waste your time believing in made-up things anyway, right?

It's very easy to convince ourselves to believe in things that we want to believe it...
Real answers, however, come from not taking the easy way out.

 

[Prestor John]

Muhammad was perfect like Jesus. Muhammad taught Christ was from God.

1.7 billion people today believe in Jesus because of Muhammad. Muhammad was the greatest Teacher of Christ humanity has ever known.

All that Muhammad rejected were the false interpretations Christians have about the Bible and Jesus. There are over 3,000 sects of Christianity today with 3,000 different interpretations of the Bible which all contradict one another.

Muhammad did no wrong but His followers, like Christians have committed many atrocities. So let him who is without sin cast the first stone. Jerusalem 1099 - praise given to Christ after the massacre of innocent women and even babies in Jerusalem . My case is that what the followers have done does not mean Christ or Muhammad are responsible.

I'm not going to debate these things with you because I know that I would offend practitioners of Islam.

I will say that I disagree with most of what you said and I also do not believe that any of it is relevant to my beliefs concerning Christ.

I believe that the original Church and Gospel of the Lord Jesus Christ has been restored today through a prophet.

So I'd just like to cut through the fat and get to the meat of the issue. Does Mohammad deny the divinity of Christ? Yes or No?

 

[rusra02]

Your point about the Quran coming from a supernatural source is well taken. However, this does not ensure that the source was the true God. I am convinced the Bible is the only true written communication from God to mankind. The complete Bible predates the Quran by hundreds of years, and parts of the Bible were written about 2,000 years before the Quran.

 

[loverofhumanity]

I'm not going to debate these things with you because I know that I would offend practitioners of Islam.

I will say that I disagree with most of what you said and I also do not believe that any of it is relevant to my beliefs concerning Christ.

I believe that the original Church and Gospel of the Lord Jesus Christ has been restored today through a prophet.

So I'd just like to cut through the fat and get to the meat of the issue. Does Mohammad deny the divinity of Christ? Yes or No?

No He does not.

 

[loverofhumanity]

Your point about the Quran coming from a supernatural source is well taken. However, this does not ensure that the source was the true God. I am convinced the Bible is the only true written communication from God to mankind. The complete Bible predates the Quran by hundreds of years, and parts of the Bible were written about 2,000 years before the Quran.

Pre dating doesn't mean the Quran was not from God.

Krishna predates Christ and says even more astounding things and makes even greater claims than Jesus. Does that mean Jesus is not from God? One could also say that Krishna predates Christ and is therefore truer? look at what Krishna said in the Hindu Holy Book the Bhagavad Gita.

Around 300 BC we read words identical to Christ's except around 300 years earlier. Does that mean Krishna is greater because He spoke these words first????? Christ is not the only One to say He was unique. Krishna also claimed to be the beginning and the end and Lord as well.

Krishna

Bhagavad-Gita

I am the father and the mother of this universe,

I am the goal, the Comforter, the
Lord,

I am the beginning and the end and also the middle,

as the Supreme Personality of Godhead, I know everything that has happened in the past, all that is happening in the present, and all things that are yet to come. I also know all living entities; but Me no one knows.

If pre dating is used as a pretext to determine truth then Krishna claimed to be Supreme Lord before Jesus even existed.

 

[Prestor John]

No He does not.

Mohammad claims that the Lord Jesus Christ is the literal Son of God the Father, Savior of the world, Redeemer of Mankind, Author and Father of Salvation, the Creator of Heaven and Earth, The I AM, the beginning and the end, the Alpha and Omega, the Almighty and Eternal God?

 

[loverofhumanity]

Mohammad claims that the Lord Jesus Christ is the literal Son of God the Father, Savior of the world, Redeemer of Mankind, Author and Father of Salvation, the Creator of Heaven and Earth, The I AM, the beginning and the end, the Alpha and Omega, the Almighty and Eternal God?

Everything in the Bible is supported by the Quran.

Sura 5:68

Say, “O People of the Book! You stand on naught till you observe the Torah and the Gospel

 

[Prestor John]

Everything in the Bible is supported by the Quran.

Sura 5:68

Say, “O People of the Book! You stand on naught till you observe the Torah and the Gospel

I have a feeling that Mohammad's idea of "observing" the Torah and the Gospel involves more than what is contained in the Bible

According to Mohammad, Jesus is divine? He is the God of Israel and the whole world?

 

[Tumah]

I have a feeling that Mohammad's idea of "observing" the Torah and the Gospel involves more than what is contained in the Bible

I have a feeling that Jesus' idea of "observing" the Torah involves less than what is contained in the Torah. (And Islam clearly has less laws than Judaism does. So I'm not sure how true your statement even is.)

Just so that you think that maybe if you have a reason why you can do that, they might too.

 

[loverofhumanity]

I have a feeling that Mohammad's idea of "observing" the Torah and the Gospel involves more than what is contained in the Bible

According to Mohammad, Jesus is divine? He is the God of Israel and the whole world?

The Quran clearly upholds the Bible and all therein. It calls people to follow the Gospel.

 

[Prestor John]

I have a feeling that Jesus' idea of "observing" the Torah involves less than what is contained in the Torah. (And Islam clearly has less laws than Judaism does. So I'm not sure how true your statement even is.)

Just so that you think that maybe if you have a reason why you can do that, they might too.

I don't understand your comments.

 

[Prestor John]

The Quran clearly upholds the Bible and all therein. It calls people to follow the Gospel.

The Quran teaches that salvation comes only through the Lord Jesus Christ?

 

[loverofhumanity]

The Quran teaches that salvation comes only through the Lord Jesus Christ?

The Quran tells us to follow both the Torah and Gospels.

I accept everything the Bible says because it is the Word of God. The Quran confirms that.

The Quran states very clearly that our faith has no foundation unless we accept and obey both the Torah and the Gospel.

Sura 5:68

Say, “O People of the Book! You stand on naught till you observe the Torah and the Gospel

 

[loverofhumanity]

Let me clarify some things.

I believe the Quran and Torah and Gospels are the Word of God.

I do not follow or believe the interpretations of the Torah the Jews have, the interpretation of the Gospels Christians may have or the interpretation of the Quran Muslim scholars may have.

I follow the Word of God alone and I see God and the Holy Spirit in Moses and the Torah, Jesus and the Gospels and Muhammad and the Quran.

The interpretations placed on these Holy Books by their followers mean absolutely nothing to me.