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Searching for the real Jesus

Jayhawker Soule

Jayhawker Soule

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Bob L said:
... I'm thinking much more study is in order here, perhaps for the rest of my life! One of my plans for retirement is to return to school and earn a Bachelor's Degree in History, so this might make a good research project.
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Bob L said:
OK, since I was last here I've had a significant change in my outlook on all things pertaining to God, Jesus, and religion in general. I've become an atheist. There is no evidence of God or gods, Jesus may or may not have even existed but he was certainly no Son of God (since there is no God), and religion is in my opinion a bunch of BS. So I've "found" the "real" Jesus, and he's come up lacking.
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Jayhawker Soule said:
All that determined in a mere 5 months. Wow! :thud:
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Bob L said:
Do you mean there's a time limit?
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To paraphrase:
I'm a novice with no formal training in history, and this subject obviously necessitates much, much more study ...
perhaps a lifetime of study ...
... or maybe 5 months of googling to reinforce my presuppositions - whichever comes first.​
 It's awesome how you've approached the topic(s) with such maturity, intellectual integrity, and incredible efficiency. :clap
 
Bob L

Bob L

Member
Jayhawker Soule said:
To paraphrase:<b>
I'm a novice with no formal training in history, and this subject obviously necessitates much, much more study ...
perhaps a lifetime of study ...
... or maybe 5 months of googling to reinforce my presuppositions - whichever comes first.​
</b> It's awesome how you've approached the topic(s) with such maturity, intellectual integrity, and incredible efficiency. :clap
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Why, thank you very much! That's mighty white of you to say!
 
fallingblood

fallingblood

Agnostic Theist
Bob L said:
Why, thank you very much! That's mighty white of you to say!
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I might have to disagree with that. Being a White myself, as in my last name is White, I have to say that probably isn't something a White would say. Looking at my father's family, I can't really see them saying anything like that. White's are generally more passive. In the sense that they don't really join into debates or the like.
 
cablescavenger

cablescavenger

Well-Known Member
Bob L said:
I don't exactly know where to put this, so this looks to be the place.

Recently i have been reading and studying up on the Roman Republic and Empire, attempting to find parallels with modern-day America, and lately my studies are taking a different direction, specifically an attempt to answer a question that has been nagging at me for a while now - at what point did Jesus become the Christ? When did he stop being a minor historical figure and become the leading figure of a worldwide belief system? How did this all come about? How did the Roman Empire figure in all this? I've been reading The Historical Figure of Jesus, by E.P. Sanders, so I can get a "lay of the land" of that time period, and I'm getting the impression that Jesus was little more than one of many itinerant preachers in Palestine, of which Rome was completely unconcerned with. But when and how did he become a mythological creature on a par with the Greek and Roman gods?

There's precious little information about Jesus from other sources other than the New Testament, mostly a one-paragraph mention of him from the Jewish historian Josephus. The Gospels were written years after the fact with oral knowledge handed down God-knows how many times, so it would be hard to consider them completely credible. So I'm thinking much more study is in order here, perhaps for the rest of my life!

One of my plans for retirement is to return to school and earn a Bachelor's Degree in History, so this might make a good research project.
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I would question anyone who considered it to be history.
 
waitasec

waitasec

Veteran Member
F0uad said:
O nothing.. (uhm) Christian becoming atheist..
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i guess there are those who would rather not expand their understanding...
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p.s.
that coexist avatar is a typical stance on mediocrity btw...
religions have been coexisting since their inception...
i would rather live in tolerance than just coexisting but that would require no religion...now wouldn't it?
 
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Jayhawker Soule

Jayhawker Soule

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waitasec said:
i guess there are those who would rather not expand their understanding ...
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How would you know? Let's see ...

waitasec said:
... that coexist avatar is a typical stance on mediocrity btw...
religions have been coexisting since their inception...
i would rather live in tolerance than just coexisting but that would require no religion...now wouldn't it?
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Of course. What a marvelous exemplar of tolerance you are. :rolleyes:
 
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manc

Member
firstly im not an educated guy especialy in religion,i was origonaly a catholic but reading about jesus over the years and watching programes about him has changed my faith,its a bit sad in a way because beleiving in something is quite a comfortable feeling.

i beleive its possible there could be a god (im not discounting that) but i dont believe in any religion ATM .
im hoping i can learn alot more,i know there isnt alot of historical facts about jesus only the gospels (if they are real) and josephus,but did any other religions of the time (like judaism etc) mention a jesus or cult following him.

also if jesus was the son of god how come his teachings are so different than that of his father ???????.
 
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F0uad

F0uad

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i guess there are those who would rather not expand their understanding...
:sad:


p.s.
that coexist avatar is a typical stance on mediocrity btw...
religions have been coexisting since their inception...
i would rather live in tolerance than just coexisting but that would require no religion...now wouldn't it?
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I was not trying to ''dis respect'' the person i was simply pointing out that it mostly happens in that Community.

Coexisting is a part of Tolerance so your argument makes no sense, i don't belief in ''Good'' secularism nor can i find a secularist state that has a high ''tolerance'' to religion so try again.
 
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