Second Annual Woman's March Draws Massive Crowds Accross US

[Revoltingest]

It saw a metric crap ton of news. Not sure how you missed it.

Not all news is accurate.
I've debunked fake quotes I've heard on NPR.
(Youtube is one great source to compare the spoken words with 3rd party claims.)
They were slightly (but artfully) altered, so as to change the meaning, but still sound familiar.

You can quibble that trump stated that Neo-Nazi’s specifically were fine people but he did state that there were fine people on both sides.

Is it now "quibbling" to catch someone posting a fake quote which greatly alters the meaning?
Wanting accuracy shouldn't elicit such hostility....unless debunking a quote takes the wind from one's sails.

One side consisted of Neo-Nazi’s, and white supremacists and nationalists. They marched with Swastikas and confederate flags. They chanted and held banners with anti-Semitic and anti-Muslim slogans.

Is it possible an innocent conservative just wanting to support keeping a Confederate statue got mixed up in this milieu? Sure. But that person then chose to march with the Nazis and white supremacists who were a majority and making their position quite clear.

So, quibble away. Trump stated that there were fine people marching on the side of the Nazis and white supremacists. That’s the takeaway.

You say I quibble, but you don't say that I'm wrong.
Instead, you defend a dishonest quote which misrepresents what Trump actually said.
If you carefully read what The Bearded One quoted in response to my request,
you'll see that it supports the opposite of his claim, ie, that Trump condemns
Neo-Nazis. This makes his claim 180 degrees wrong....hardly "quibbling".
Is it so necessary to demonize him that honesty & accuracy are out the window?

Similar situations....
Al Gore said "I invented the internet".
It's a fun thing to attribute to him, but he never said it.

Sarah Palin said "I can see Russian from my house.".
Also a hilariously fun thing to use against her, but she never said it.
Even NPR attributed that quote to her, but it was actually Tina Fey
who said it in a SNL skit about Palin.

Things get repeated....believed....& treated as fact.
Challenge what smells wrong.

 

[Falvlun]

Not all news is accurate.
I've debunked fake quotes I've heard on NPR.
(Youtube is one great source to compare the spoken words with 3rd party claims.)
They were slightly (but artfully) altered, so as to change the meaning, but still sound familiar.

Not all news is accurate, sure. But you were implying that there was no news at all, which was false. There was a lot of news about Trump stating that there were fine people on the Nazi side.

Is it now "quibbling" to catch someone posting a fake quote which greatly alters the meaning?
Wanting accuracy shouldn't elicit such hostility....unless debunking a quote takes the wind from one's sails.

He didn’t post a fake quote; he paraphrased. Here’s the original post:

He did the same with Neo-Nazis and complimented them by calling them good people.

Focusing on wording to the exclusion of meaning and pretending you don’t know what someone is talking about, is similarly dishonest.

You say I quibble, but you don't say that I'm wrong.
Instead, you defend a dishonest quote which misrepresents what Trump actually said.
If you carefully read what The Bearded One quoted in response to my request,
you'll see that it supports the opposite of his claim, ie, that Trump condemns
Neo-Nazis.
Is it so necessary to demonize him that honesty & accuracy are out the window?
"Quibbling" indeed!

You are quibbling about wording but have ignored meaning. The actual Trump quote doesn’t say “neo-Nazi” or “good” but it does say that a group of neo-Nazis and white supremacists included fine people. It’s not much better.

 

[Revoltingest]

Not all news is accurate, sure. But you were implying that there was no news at all, which was false.

Wrongo pongo!
I asked for evidence of a quote to support The Bearded One's claim.
He failed to provide one, & even debunked his own claim with what he offered.
If you have news of the quote he claimed, then why not present it,
thereby answering the query for him?

There was a lot of news about Trump stating that there were fine people on the Nazi side.

Then you should easily find an example.
(I searched a little, & didn't it.)

He didn’t post a fake quote; he paraphrased. Here’s the original post:

His claim is still unsupported.
His paraphrasing is inaccurate to the point of entirely changing the meaning.
Why not provide an accurate quote to make the point?

Accuracy of wording while ignoring meaning, and pretending like you don’t know what he’s talking about, is similarly dishonest.

I know what he's trying to do, & he uses an unsupported quoted to achieve it.
The real quotes he later provided don't support the meaning he wants to attribute to Trump.
So be careful about wielding the word, "dishonest", when you & he make a claim which is not
only unevidenced, but is (by his own evidence) purposely altered to change the meaning.

You are quibbling about wording but have ignored meaning. The actual Trump quote doesn’t say “neo-Nazi” or “good” but it does say that a group of neo-Nazis and white supremacists included fine people. It’s not much better.

Again, what you call "quibbling", I say is correcting an egregious misrepresentation.

 

[Falvlun]

Wrongo pongo!
I asked for evidence of a quote to support The Bearded One's claim.
He failed to provide one, & even debunked his own claim with what he offered.
If you have news of the quote he claimed, then why not present it,
thereby answering the query for him?

Then you should easily find an example.
(I searched a little, & didn't it.)

His claim is still unsupported.
His paraphrasing is inaccurate to the point of entirely changing the meaning.
Why not provide an accurate quote to make the point?

I know what he's trying to do, & he uses an unsupported quoted to achieve it.
The real quotes he later provided don't support the meaning he wants to attribute to Trump.
So be careful about wielding the word, "dishonest", when you & he make a claim which is not
only unevidenced, but is (by his own evidence) purposely altered to change the meaning.

Again, what you call "quibbling", I say is correcting an egregious misrepresentation.

Care to comment upon Trump’s actual quote? What do you think he meant when he said that there were fine people on both sides? Do you think there were fine people on the swastika bearing, “Jew will not replace us” chanting side?

 

[Revoltingest]

Care to comment upon Trump’s actual quote? What do you think he meant when he said that there were fine people on both sides? Do you think there were fine people on the swastika bearing, “Jew will not replace us” chanting side?

Taking one proffered quote....
“You had many people in that group other than neo-Nazis and white nationalists...”
People "other than" those named groups would include ordinary conservatives.
You cannot just single out the worst in any large group, & treat them as representing
everyone there. Certainly, you wouldn't tolerate anyone doing that to feminists,
liberals, black activists, etc. One reasonable standard should apply to all.
Anything else would be dishonest, eh.

 

[Falvlun]

Taking one proffered quote....
“You had many people in that group other than neo-Nazis and white nationalists...”
People "other than" those named groups would include ordinary conservatives.
You cannot just single out the worst in any large group, & treat them as representing
everyone there. Certainly, you wouldn't tolerate anyone doing that to feminists,
liberals, black activists, etc. One reasonable standard should apply to all.
Anything else would be dishonest, eh.

If we are talking about a couple bad eggs or a random off-color remark, sure. Not fair to disparage everyone for the views of a few, or a moment of passion.

But if you are marching with a group that is dominated by and vocal about their questionable views, then not only shouldn’t you be surprised if people lump you in with them, but you yourself have demonstrated poor judgement, as well as tolerance for the views being shouted.

EDIT:
I jumped the gun and forgot about Trump. Why the heck would anyone say that there were fine people on both sides when one side revealed itself to be chock full of white supremacists and neo-Nazis? You think we should interpret his statement as talking about some poor hypothetical conservative that just found himself marching with a bunch of racists. But shouldn’t such a statement (which notably didn’t even need to be said) have been unambiguous? At best, Trump, once again had no clue of what was going on and made a crappy attempt at appearing non-partisan on something for which there really is only one correct side to be on; and at worst, he was intentionally ambiguous to appease the white supremicists that he knows support him.

You say we should apply the same standards across the board. Well, if there was a feminist rally with lots of feminist-y things going on, why would anyone think there were people in that rally who didn’t support feminism? If someone said that there were fine people on the feminist side, why would you think he was talking about everyone but the feminists?

 

[Akivah]

Women’s March Draws Massive Crowds In Cities Across The Nation

Sunday shows barely mentioned the 2018 Women’s March

Comments?

I was a bit disappointed in their efforts. When I heard about these marches, I thought they would be presenting a unified list of things that they would like, as women. Instead it was just an anti-Trump event, so no reason to slap the label 'women' on it. They didn't have anything different to say than a Democrat march. Maybe it was just bad press coverage in my area.

 

[Epic Beard Man]

So what does any of that have to do with this?

Everything. Trump hasn't fervently denounced the white nationalist movement nor has he fervently denounced David Duke after lying stating that he did not know David Duke.

 

[Revoltingest]

If we are talking about a couple bad eggs or a random off-color remark, sure. Not fair to disparage everyone for the views of a few, or a moment of passion.

But if you are marching with a group that is dominated by and vocal about their questionable views, then not only shouldn’t you be surprised if people lump you in with them, but you yourself have demonstrated poor judgement, as well as tolerance for the views being shouted.

I don't know if you've ever been to any demonstrations.
But there can be unexpected diversity.
To tag all with the tarnish of a few is both mean & wrong.

EDIT:
I jumped the gun and forgot about Trump. Why the heck would anyone say that there were fine people on both sides when one side revealed itself to be chock full of white supremacists and neo-Nazis?

Because, as Trump clearly pointed out in The Bearded One's posted quotes, some are not Neo-Nazis.

You think we should interpret his statement as talking about some poor hypothetical conservative that just found himself marching with a bunch of racists.

If you go by what he actually said, instead of some mischievous re-wording, you'll see he referred to others.

People have tried to paint all people who demonstrate with BLM members as violent racists.
Would you disagree with using such a broad brush toward them all demonstrators?
Liberals, conservatives, progressives, whites, blacks & others all deserve to be held to the same standard.

But shouldn’t such a statement (which notably didn’t even need to be said) have been unambiguous? At best, Trump, once again had no clue of what was going on and made a crappy attempt at appearing non-partisan on something for which there really is only one correct side to be on; and at worst, he was intentionally ambiguous to appease the white supremicists that he knows support him.

You say we should apply the same standards across the board. Well, if there was a feminist rally with lots of feminist-y things going on, why would anyone think there were people in that rally who didn’t support feminism? If someone said that there were fine people on the feminist side, why would you think he was talking about everyone but the feminists?

If you were to dis all feminists at a rally because there were misandrists there
too, I'd also call you out on that.
This is not quibbling or dishonesty as you try to argue. Shame on you for this.
It is utterly wrong to post false quotations designed to change the meaning for
a partisan agenda....& worse still, using vituperative objection to correction.

 

[Sha'irullah]

<yawn>

So ...

More than 200,000 protesters attended the march in New York on Saturday, according to Mayor Bill de Blasio. Mayor Eric Garcetti of Los Angeles said 600,000 attended the march there, while organizers of the Chicago march said 300,000 attended that event. Thousands also turned out in Washington, Philadelphia, Austin and hundreds of other cities and towns around the country and world. [NYT]

... and you want to fulminate against Linda Sarsour. Good grief!
​

</yawn>

Somebody Has issue reading . . . Linda is not even relevant anymore as far as I can tell within the last year. But seriously please read and realize I am referring to the thousands of imbeciles calling Trump a p***y grabber.

 

[Sha'irullah]

Everything. Trump hasn't fervently denounced the white nationalist movement nor has he fervently denounced David Duke after lying stating that he did not know David Duke.

And Hillary hasn't denounced Robert Byrd and Obama hasn't denounced Islamic terrorism. It is called getting votes and is a sad part of politics when you have only 2 successful blocks.

 

[Epic Beard Man]

And Hillary hasn't denounced Robert Byrd and Obama hasn't denounced Islamic terrorism. It is called getting votes and is a sad part of politics when you have only 2 successful blocks.

Stop using your Hillary deflect card...I voted for Bernie so I give two sh**s about Hillary....Focus on Trump and his lies about David Duke. for a former Muslim surprised you even defend this coward considering I'm sure he doesn't care about "people like you."

 

[Sha'irullah]

Stop using your Hillary deflect card...I voted for Bernie so I give two sh**s about Hillary....Focus on Trump and his lies about David Duke. for a former Muslim surprised you even defend this coward considering I'm sure he doesn't care about "people like you."

Good for you then, I am actually happy you went for Bernie even though I strongly dislike him. I hold more respect for Bernie attempting to undo the system instead of trying to slide his ideology into it.

But it does not change the fact that this is something in natural in politics. If I was younger I would care but now I cannot. Put yourself in my shoes and watch as everything you love just dies off because people are too thin skinned to even be talked to.

Politicians rub elbows with dirty people and this is just how it is. We have a bloated government that is so obese it crushes its own feet everytime it tries to move someplace good. People like Trump rebranded themselves and tore a party and stole the votes plain and simple.

I personally would have wanted Cruz or Santorum to win but oh well.

Also Trump cares about nobody but his bloated ego. He is truly not a racist because he can't handle the mere thought of it. He married a Jew and used every group regardless of culture to bolster his brand name.

I oppose racism which is why I oppose Obama so strongly. Race is not a game and you do not treat it like a gymnastics event so it can contort itself to your amusement.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

Somebody Has issue reading . . . Linda is not even relevant anymore as far as I can tell ...

And we all know how insightful you are about such things.

 

[Stanyon]

Everything. Trump hasn't fervently denounced the white nationalist movement nor has he fervently denounced David Duke after lying stating that he did not know David Duke.

There are easily found videos and print of him denouncing white supremacists for decades, I"m pretty sure you already know this.

 

[Epic Beard Man]

There are easily found videos and print of him denouncing white supremacists for decades, I"m pretty sure you already know this.

So what about the videos where he didn't know about David Duke? Or the white supremacist hhe does not know?

 

[leibowde84]

First one was a disappointment due to terrorists being normalized and the freedom of speech being assaulted and this one is just as sad. Why don't we just call them fascists at this point. It essentially all they are except more socialistic in nature like Nazis.

In what way are they fascist?

 

[leibowde84]

Lets see Linda Sarsour was there and her dialogues and tweets along with her communal love from the environment was sickening.

http://blogs.timesofisrael.com/linda-sarsour-tweets-hate-at-jews-whites-and-women/

The women is despicable in every single form. When I was a Muslim this was the normal conspiratory behavior I had to deal with. Her own friend was convicted as a terrorist in Israel. The women's march completely discredited itself even further by mentioning Trump for his grabby tendencies.

If I was a news host dressed in a transparent skirt that barely went crotch high I would be making the same insults. But instead it was distorted into sexual assault. All you have to do is look at the entire video without media bias.

I simply cannot fathom a president was protested for making fun of the obvious.

But, Trump wasn't making fun of anyone. He was bragging about being able to sexually assault women (grabbing their crotch) without permission simply because he is a celebrity. He was clearly and unequivocally bragging about disgusting and criminal behavior. How on earth could you possibly not see a connection with sexual harassment?

 

[Sha'irullah]

In what way are they fascist?

I am just being pejorative concerning the push toward labelling everything fascist. When Trump got elected the whole women's march garnered itself as a fight against tyranny and many began speaking out abot the right of women and the reduct of American freedom while actively fighting against freedom of everything. This behavior just sat in line with groups like ANTIFA that it got a lock of mockery from righties like me henceforth they were dubbed the Bund Deutsche Madel of the progressives.

I am being garish in short

 

[Sha'irullah]

But, Trump wasn't making fun of anyone. He was bragging about being able to sexually assault women (grabbing their crotch) without permission simply because he is a celebrity. He was clearly and unequivocally bragging about disgusting and criminal behavior. How on earth could you possibly not see a connection with sexual harassment?

I saw the video, he was mocking the girl in a manner I would have done very similar to knowing my taste in humor. The girl was dressed like she was trying to get laid on a dance floor at a nightclub. Seeing her thong everytime the sun shone was also pretty humorous just to add to the debacle.

Trump's words were clear and the girl had a right to dress how she wanted but it did not change how bizarre her clothing choice was for the occasion not that it matters on TV nowadays anymore.