Second Annual Woman's March Draws Massive Crowds Accross US

[leibowde84]

I am just being pejorative concerning the push toward labelling everything fascist. When Trump got elected the whole women's march garnered itself as a fight against tyranny and many began speaking out abot the right of women and the reduct of American freedom while actively fighting against freedom of everything. This behavior just sat in line with groups like ANTIFA that it got a lock of mockery from righties like me henceforth they were dubbed the Bund Deutsche Madel of the progressives.

I am being garish in short

How, in your opinion, are they fighting against freedom specifically?

 

[Sha'irullah]

How, in your opinion, are they fighting against freedom specifically?

It's a contradiction that I do not wish to place against every person apart of the marches but you have a lot of people professing that Trump is evil etc yet during that same march it ended in violence as usual and turned into a scene where Trump supporters were attacked and a need to suppress opposing views became normalized. So you have protesters exercising free speech to later on backtrack and suppress free speech of others through violence and then protest a man who merely mocked a woman for dressing like a ****. These same women only end up using slurs and other idiocy to attack Trump for having perverted humor and make it a matter of sexual assault.

With this logic or lack there of that means every time Andrew Dice Clay talks about sodomizing fairy tale characters it is because he has done so in real life.

I just think a lot of this has to do with the sheer amount of rage occuring after Trump's elections. A friend of mine who is very level headed got emotional because he is a Pakistani from a Muslim family and then the next day realized he is pro free market and hates Muslims and got over Trump's election overnight.

A lot of right wingers make it seem as if there is a "progressive ideology" permeating in the backgrounds but a lot of this just has to do with emotions being placed before reasoning.

Why do you think you had signs mentioning how ugly Trump is or mocking his physical appearance . . . which honestly I mock as well .

 

[Falvlun]

I don't know if you've ever been to any demonstrations.
But there can be unexpected diversity.
To tag all with the tarnish of a few is both mean & wrong.

I literally wrote that in the part you quoted. A few bad eggs shouldn’t tarnish everyone.

But that’s not what happened here. It was clearly a white supremacist rally organized by a known white nationalist. If you show up thinking it’s just to support a statue and then realize everyone around you are Nazis, and decide to stay, then yeah, that’s on you.

Because, as Trump clearly pointed out in The Bearded One's posted quotes, some are not Neo-Nazis.

If you go by what he actually said, instead of some mischievous re-wording, you'll see he referred to others.

People have tried to paint all people who demonstrate with BLM members as violent racists.
Would you disagree with using such a broad brush toward them all demonstrators?
Liberals, conservatives, progressives, whites, blacks & others all deserve to be held to the same standard.

If you were to dis all feminists at a rally because there were misandrists there
too, I'd also call you out on that.
This is not quibbling or dishonesty as you try to argue. Shame on you for this.
It is utterly wrong to post false quotations designed to change the meaning for
a partisan agenda....& worse still, using vituperative objection to correction.

Again, he didn’t post a quotation but a paraphrase. Or does only Trump get your laser focus to accuracy?

I didn’t object to you pointing out an incorrect paraphrase.

I objected to your focus on wording vs meaning. And I reject the concept that it was “just a few” Nazis in a sea of innocent conservatives. I also reject the idea of an “innocent conservative”, since it was clearly run and overrun by white supremacists. Any innocent conservative who stayed was complicit due to his tolerance of his bedfellows.

And Trump endorsed that. Fine people don’t march with Nazis.

 

[Revoltingest]

Again, he didn’t post a quotation but a paraphrase. Or does only Trump get your laser focus to accuracy?

<Sigh>.....no one on the left ever notices when I defend them & theirs.

I didn’t object to you pointing out an incorrect paraphrase.

Well, I'm confused now.

I objected to your focus on wording vs meaning.

Wording provides meaning.
Changing wording changes meaning.

And I reject the concept that it was “just a few” Nazis in a sea of innocent conservatives. I also reject the idea of an “innocent conservative”, since it was clearly run and overrun by white supremacists. Any innocent conservative who stayed was complicit due to his tolerance of his bedfellows.

And Trump endorsed that. Fine people don’t march with Nazis.

I haven't counted the Nazis & non- Nazis.
But none of that excuses changing Trump's statements to commit political mischief.

 

[Falvlun]

I haven't counted the Nazis & non- Nazis.

Are you serious? Here’s some posters advertising for the Unite the Right rally.

https://goo.gl/images/k1UPuZ

https://goo.gl/images/siYvL6

They weren’t being subtle about it. Look up the headliners. Many of them are known white supremecists / nationalists. This rally was set up by the neo-Nazis for the neo-Nazis. And they showed up in force. They had freaking flags and banners and racist chants. It should have been clear to anyone there who and what this rally was for.

But none of that excuses changing Trump's statements to commit political mischief.

Between Trump’s original “blame on many sides” comment, coupled with his “fine people on both sides” statement, the political mischief was of his own making, and was condemned by many people on both sides of the aisle.

I agree; the quote isn’t as bad in context. But it certainly attempts to exculpate those who knew they were in a white supremacist rally and chose to remain there. And that’s not acceptable.

 

[Revoltingest]

Are you serious? Here’s some posters advertising for the Unite the Right rally.

https://goo.gl/images/k1UPuZ

https://goo.gl/images/siYvL6

They weren’t being subtle about it. Look up the headliners. Many of them are known white supremecists / nationalists. This rally was set up by the neo-Nazis for the neo-Nazis. And they showed up in force. They had freaking flags and banners and racist chants. It should have been clear to anyone there who and what this rally was for.


Between Trump’s original “blame on many sides” comment, coupled with his “fine people on both sides” statement, the political mischief was of his own making, and was condemned by many people on both sides of the aisle.

I agree; the quote isn’t as bad in context. But it certainly attempts to exculpate those who knew they were in a white supremacist rally and chose to remain there. And that’s not acceptable.

You're changing the subject to analyzing the crowd's make-up,
rather than addressing what Trump intended. I'll pass on what
appears to be an endless rabbit hole.

 

[Falvlun]

You're changing the subject to analyzing the crowd's make-up,
rather than addressing what Trump intended. I'll pass on what
appears to be an endless rabbit hole.

I’m not changing anything anything.

You are pretending, like Trump, that this wasn’t a rally for white nationalists, white separatists, racists, and Neo-Nazis.

That’s entirely my point regarding Trump’s quote. He was trying to legitimize the Unite the Right side by saying that there were some normal good old conservatives there when that’s a white washing (ha) of what it really was.

 

[Revoltingest]

I’m not changing anything anything.

You are pretending, like Trump, that this wasn’t a rally for white nationalists, white separatists, racists, and Neo-Nazis.

That’s entirely my point regarding Trump’s quote. He was trying to legitimize the Unite the Right side by saying that there were some normal good old conservatives there when that’s a white washing (ha) of what it really was.

I pretend often.
But not this time.

 

[Falvlun]

I pretend often.
But not this time.

Fine people don’t march in white supremacist rallies.

That’s why people were so riled by Trump’s statement. It allowed people to believe that they could march in white supremacist rallies and be a fine person.

 

[Revoltingest]

Fine people don’t march in white supremacist rallies.

That’s why people were so riled by Trump’s statement. It allowed people to believe that they could march in white supremacist rallies and be a fine person.

Ya know...when you accuse one of "pretending"
& "dishonesty", it really doesn't inspire discussion.
It could be an interesting digression, but I'll pass.

 

[Falvlun]

Ya know...when you accuse one of "pretending"
& "dishonesty", it really doesn't inspire discussion.
It could be an interesting digression, but I'll pass.

I didn’t say anything about pretending or dishonesty in that post. I reworded my argument After you indicated that you weren’t pretending. I took you at face value. I also note that you had no compunction about telling me “shame on you” earlier so spare me your high horse.

Do you think it’s ok that our president believes that fine people march in white supremacist rallies?

 

[Revoltingest]

I didn’t say anything about pretending or dishonesty in that post. I reworded my argument After you indicated that you weren’t pretending. I took you at face value. I also note that you had no compunction about telling me “shame on you” earlier so spare me your high horse.

Do you think it’s ok that our president believes that fine people march in white supremacist rallies?

Let's just agree that Nazis & their ilk are awful.
But at a "Unite The Right" rally, there will be
diversity, even ordinary conservatives.
We likely won't agree on this, but that's OK.

 

[Falvlun]

Let's just agree that Nazis & their ilk are awful.
But at a "Unite The Right" rally, there will be
diversity, even ordinary conservatives.
We likely won't agree on this, but that's OK.

Growl growl grumble grumble.

 

[Epic Beard Man]

Let's just agree that Nazis & their ilk are awful.
But at a "Unite The Right" rally, there will be
diversity, even ordinary conservatives.
We likely won't agree on this, but that's OK.

That's not good enough. This rally caused the death of an innocent person. As falvlun stated (and I paraphrase incorrectly) nobody with sound mind would be associated with a hate group regardless of their somewhat culturally moderate position.

It is akin to me marching with ISIS sympathizers. Why would I knowingly associate with a hate group unless I subsciously subscribe to their beliefs?

Like I said either you live outside the United States or are under a rock but Trump's comments were all over the news. Since you dont pretend maybe there is some density to your intellect on this matter.

A Unite the Right will always have diverse groups of people?

Any white person that gets themselves involved with a Unite the Right rally is a racist in my book point blank period.

 

[Revoltingest]

......there is some density to your intellect on this matter.

And I respect you too.