Seeing That Women Can Go Topless Now Do You Suppose A Lot More Rapes Will Happen?

[Wherenextcolumbus]

Something I have noticed about people, is when they say black people they mean black men and when they say women they mean white women. hhhmmm

 

[Me Myself]

Something I have noticed about people, is when they say black people they mean black men and when they say women they mean white women. hhhmmm

Actually, when I say black I mean black. You disregardedmy other post where I said that just because there is always a worst case scenario doesnt mean we should only care for black/latino poor women living in the gheto and let everybody else fight their own frigging grounds.

Then you missed I was parodying the stance of "someone is worst than them" as a justification to disregard the legitimacy of someone's problems.

We should truly stop trying to divide things into "we" and "them" mentality. It's not healthy or contructive. What about we all just try to stop being ====s and =====s.

 

[Wherenextcolumbus]

Actually, when I say black I mean black. You disregardedmy other post where I said that just because there is always a worst case scenario doesnt mean we should only care for black/latino poor women living in the gheto and let everybody else fight their own frigging grounds.

Then you missed I was parodying the stance of "someone is worst than them" as a justification to disregard the legitimacy of someone's problems.

We should truly stop trying to divide things into "we" and "them" mentality. It's not healthy or contructive. What about we all just try to stop being ====s and =====s.

I never said we should only care about black/latino women living in the ghetto, when did I say that?
I said men are not an oppressed group. I never said we can't care about men.

 

[Me Myself]

I never said we should only care about black/latino women living in the ghetto, when did I say that?
I said men are not an oppressed group. I never said we can't care about men.

you didnt pay attention, I said that

I said that everyone gets abuse and we should stand up for all the abuse going around, and that the most exreme cases do not negate the less common or extreme cases.

Which is a response to your attempt to victim race who is more oppressed so to see which sexism is "worst".

 

[Wherenextcolumbus]

you didnt pay attention, I said that

I said that everyone gets abuse and we should stand up for all the abuse going around, and that the most exreme cases do not negate the less common or extreme cases.

Which is a response to your attempt to victim race who is more oppressed so to see which sexism is "worst".

Yes we should stand up for abuse all around, but women are the ones targeted in a sexist society.

 

[Aquitaine]

you didnt pay attention, I said that

I said that everyone gets abuse and we should stand up for all the abuse going around, and that the most exreme cases do not negate the less common or extreme cases.

Which is a response to your attempt to victim race who is more oppressed so to see which sexism is "worst".

Reminds me a bit of the whole "Stop Domestic Violence against Women and Children" thing. Why not just "Stop Domestic Violence"?

 

[Me Myself]

Reminds me a bit of the whole "Stop Domestic Violence against Women and Children" thing. Why not just "Stop Domestic Violence"?

reminds me of the thread "why is there an epidemic of violence against women and children?"

The way I see it, this moment in history we have WAY LESS violenve against women and children. The ones who have more violence perpetrated against them throughout history and still tody the only ones left out of the thread title.

Men can suck it up of course.

I didnt get it

 

[dgirl1986]

The way I see it, this moment in history we have WAY LESS violenve against women and children. The ones who have more violence perpetrated against them throughout history and still tody the only ones left out of the thread title.

Men can suck it up of course.

I didnt get it

I agree we would have way less violence happening right now, but there is still a stupid amount of violence happening which can often result in death.

 

[Me Myself]

I agree we would have way less violence happening right now, but there is still a stupid amount of violence happening which can often result in death.

Absolutely.

I was just astonished on why they thought there was more violence and why they left the more affected group (adult male) out of the concern.

 

[dgirl1986]

Absolutely.

I was just astonished on why they thought there was more violence and why they left the more affected group (adult male) out of the concern.

People confuse more reports of violence with more violence I think. I think men get jipped with this kind of stuff due to history.

 

[DallasApple]

Actually, when I say black I mean black. You disregardedmy other post where I said that just because there is always a worst case scenario doesnt mean we should only care for black/latino poor women living in the gheto and let everybody else fight their own frigging grounds.

Then you missed I was parodying the stance of "someone is worst than them" as a justification to disregard the legitimacy of someone's problems.

We should truly stop trying to divide things into "we" and "them" mentality. It's not healthy or contructive. What about we all just try to stop being ====s and =====s.

Its not a "worse case" scenerio if you are raped if you are black.

 

[Me Myself]

Its not a "worse case" scenerio if you are raped if you are black.

I am not following.

I am saying that the men had the drafts and the women had other things and sexism still exists towards both in different ways. determining the biggest "loser" is childish and pointless.

Agreeing to stop sexism is constructive. Saying one sexism is worst than the other is sexist. (and saying that women got it worst is not the same as saying one sexism is worst than the other)

The thing is its unhealthy to keep at this "us" and "them" mentality.

lets just not support sexism nor racism in general. lets not justify one because another is worst. That thinking wont lead us anywhere good.

 

[Me Myself]

People confuse more reports of violence with more violence I think. I think men get jipped with this kind of stuff due to history.

I think so too, on both acounts.

I also think it has to do with the divisive mentality.

People dont think so much as men as victims of violence because theya re the perpetrators of violence. The problem is that assaulters who happen to be men are the perpetrators and victims who happen to be men are the victims. When one is thinking on "who is more of a victim men or women" this kind of glitches happen in the thinking.

 

[dgirl1986]

I think so too, on both acounts.

I also think it has to do with the divisive mentality.

People dont think so much as men as victims of violence because theya re the perpetrators of violence. The problem is that assaulters who happen to be men are the perpetrators and victims who happen to be men are the victims. When one is thinking on "who is more of a victim men or women" this kind of glitches happen in the thinking.

Exactly

 

[Alceste]

Seriously wtf? Either you make friends in a rape victims center or you're flat out lying.

Perhaps people are just not comfortable divulging such things to you.

 

[Mercy Not Sacrifice]

I was molested when I was 4 years old by a 14 yo guy.(my grandmothers neighbors son)And when I was 14 I was date raped. My sister (youngest) was drugged (given ectasy) when she was 13 and gang raped by 2 19 yo guys that lived on our street she was a virgin.(they got 10 years probation for that by the way).My cousin was routinely molested by her dad.He would get drunk and feel her up right in front of me.My best friend in 8th grade was date raped.Later when she was older she was raped again by a guy in a hot tub.That's just right off the top of my head.And I'm not even going to get into other stuff that happened to me I'm actually shaking too much already.Or the other women I have MET or known that I did NOT meet in a rape victims center.

So what do you mean "what do I mean"?

Dallas...omg...I am so sorry...I had no idea.

I really don't have anything else to say.

 

[Mercy Not Sacrifice]

What do you mean you and your sister were "sexually assaulted"? What happened? It is VERY rare to meet or be friends with somebody who was raped. At least where I am.

Whoa, dude! You don't just go up to a survivor and ask her to tell her story. A survivor will reveal that when she is ready, and only to the extent that she is ready.

Be careful--coming out too soon can cause a survivor to emotionally go somewhere she does not want to go. Ironic, considering the tragic event in the first place.

 

[Mercy Not Sacrifice]

I just caught up on this thread. And I'm not sure if that's a good thing, considering some of the crap I just read.

(side note: my "i do not have words" comment above reflects my initial shock. not my current state, now that I have at least had a few moments to think it over.)

Me Myself, you really need to slow down and stop overlooking something that happened in this thread earlier: A survivor came out. Now, I am not a survivor of rape myself, but from the bits and pieces of personal stories I have been allowed to hear from other survivors (the key word being ALLOWED. Jesus Christ, you NEVER ask a survivor what exactly happened--I'm still pretty raw about that. She will share IF and when she is ready. Which may be never.)--from those stories, I can safely say that coming out as a survivor can be an awfully difficult experience. There are no high-fives or hugs of joy that sometimes come when one comes out as gay. No, she or he may be subject to all sorts of crap, such as unhelpful advice on learning self-defense techniques, reminders that a woman needs to keep herself safe (no ****, Sherlock), asking her why she didn't do all that (Alceste already gave a great defense to that), or worse.

What I had to learn years ago, and what you need to understand now, is that for you and me, this is a debate. This is a debate with issues, with affirmative and negative positions, and arguments for and against each side. Our male privilege allows that. But for a survivor, and for many if not all women, it feels more like answering the question of whether they should be fed to the lions. That raises the stakes tremendously. There's a reason why people who show reasonable sensitivity will slap a "trigger warning" label onto discussions such as these. Merely talking about rape, or some specific aspect of rape, can emotionally plunge a survivor back into a terrible place in her mind where she absolutely does not want to go.

Dallas, please understand that you did nothing wrong when you were assaulted. In the heat of the moment, things can be happening so quickly that you hardly even realize that it's sexual assault until sometimes later. Or in other cases, the victim knows exactly what's going on. This varies, and neither is a more "normal" response than the other. Either way, it is 100% the fault of the sick, disgusting perpetrator.

I think I understand now why you would rather err on the side of caution over this issue. If you're wrong, then it means more stress and worry for you. But if you're right, then a mistake--and I hesitate to even imply that--could be life-altering. That's part of the "burden" that I referred to in a previous post, one that all of society--not just women--should help to lift.

 

[Alceste]

Do you want me to post videos and stories of women who are raped and beaten and no one does a thing?

Women are beaten and RAPED too honey with ONLOOKERS who do nothing!

Heck, they'll even join in - or at least pay money to watch it.

 

[Alceste]

Whoa, dude! You don't just go up to a survivor and ask her to tell her story. A survivor will reveal that when she is ready, and only to the extent that she is ready.

Be careful--coming out too soon can cause a survivor to emotionally go somewhere she does not want to go. Ironic, considering the tragic event in the first place.

Nobody in their right mind is ever gonna tell a guy like ignition they've been sexually assaulted, given the jaw-droppingly ignorant attitude toward rape he so proudly struts around with, instantly assuming it's always the victim's fault.