Seeing things in their past? You are full of beans!

[Darkstorn]

Sometimes you think I don't understand what you are saying, most of the time I do, it just doesn't seem possible for some of it to be true.

That's exactly the problem. If you understood it, you'd understand how it's possible. You have trouble abandoning a Newtonian context no matter how many times you think about it. You still suffer from the exact same problem as in the very beginning of this line of argument.

But this IS actually beyond you. Sorry to say it, but you don't understand it as well as you seem to think you do.

Dunning–Kruger effect - Wikipedia

 

[TrueBeliever37]

That's exactly the problem. If you understood it, you'd understand how it's possible. You have trouble abandoning a Newtonian context no matter how many times you think about it. You still suffer from the exact same problem as in the very beginning of this line of argument.

But this IS actually beyond you. Sorry to say it, but you don't understand it as well as you seem to think you do.

Dunning–Kruger effect - Wikipedia

If you understood it so well, why didn't you answer my questions when given the opportunity?

I wasn't saying I understood everything anyway. I was saying I was understanding what they were telling me. I just happen to disagree with some of the conclusions that have been reached.

 

[james blunt]

I uh... Ok.

At this moment in time, I only need to know my own devised maths for my own work and ''projects''. I do know some basic maths and I am serious when I say it is hard to focus in writing this because I have had little sleep in 3 days . (stress)

That's exactly the problem. If you understood it, you'd understand how it's possible. You have trouble abandoning a Newtonian context no matter how many times you think about it. You still suffer from the exact same problem as in the very beginning of this line of argument.

But this IS actually beyond you. Sorry to say it, but you don't understand it as well as you seem to think you do.

Dunning–Kruger effect - Wikipedia

Activating self diagnosis..................computing.....................analysing data...............no errors...........system fully functional

Try again ?

 

[Polymath257]

At this moment in time, I only need to know my own devised maths for my own work and ''projects''. I do know some basic maths and I am serious when I say it is hard to focus in writing this because I have had little sleep in 3 days . (stress)


Activating self diagnosis..................computing.....................analysing data...............no errors...........system fully functional

Try again ?

Maybe you should get an outside opinion? Your system check program might be having issues.

 

[TrueBeliever37]

But from the light's perspective, it doesn't travel 0 distance in no time, it travels an infinite distance in no time.

If I measured something and said it was 1 meter. And then you told me that from your perspective it measured 1.1 meters. I could see how that could be.

But if I measure 1 meter ,and you say it measures 1.1 meters from your perspective.
And I measure 2 meters, and you say it measures 1.1 meters from your perspective.
And I measure 25 meters and you say it measures 1.1 meters from your perspective.
It makes me think something has got to be wrong with your perspective.

Also, I appreciate your having been polite in your responses throughout this discussion.

 

[james blunt]

Maybe you should get an outside opinion? Your system check program might be having issues.

I wouldn't have accepted 90% of science if I was not functioning.....''You'' really misunderstand me.

 

[Polymath257]

If I measured something and said it was 1 meter. And then you told me that from your perspective it measured 1.1 meters. I could see how that could be.

But if I measure 1 meter ,and you say it measures 1.1 meters from your perspective.
And I measure 2 meters, and you say it measures 1.1 meters from your perspective.
And I measure 25 meters and you say it measures 1.1 meters from your perspective.
It makes me think something has got to be wrong with your perspective.

Also, I appreciate your having been polite in your responses throughout this discussion.

And that scenario is NOT what happens.

But, what is you measure something as 10 meters and I measure it as 5 meters. And another person measures it as 3 meters? And yet another measures it as 1 meter?

Is that an issue?

And, something that you measure as 20 meters, I measure as 10 and the third person as 6 and the last as 2?

is that problematic?

 

[Polymath257]

I wouldn't have accepted 90% of science if I was not functioning.....''You'' really misunderstand me.

I'd still recommend an outside auditor.

 

[james blunt]

If I measured something and said it was 1 meter. And then you told me that from your perspective it measured 1.1 meters. I could see how that could be.

But if I measure 1 meter ,and you say it measures 1.1 meters from your perspective.
And I measure 2 meters, and you say it measures 1.1 meters from your perspective.
And I measure 25 meters and you say it measures 1.1 meters from your perspective.
It makes me think something has got to be wrong with your perspective.

Also, I appreciate your having been polite in your responses throughout this discussion.

It isn't, it is to do with the angles of light and the distance of angles and perspective.

 

[james blunt]

I'd still recommend an outside auditor.

Dude , I have propranolol for anxiety, don't you think I have ever been the doctors for something?

 

[james blunt]

Have a dance, it will make you happy

 

[james blunt]

My hair stands on end when I feel ''him''...Can't you feel the love around you ?

 

[Kangaroo Feathers]

If I measured something and said it was 1 meter. And then you told me that from your perspective it measured 1.1 meters. I could see how that could be.

But if I measure 1 meter ,and you say it measures 1.1 meters from your perspective.
And I measure 2 meters, and you say it measures 1.1 meters from your perspective.
And I measure 25 meters and you say it measures 1.1 meters from your perspective.
It makes me think something has got to be wrong with your perspective.

Also, I appreciate your having been polite in your responses throughout this discussion.

That's because you are still thinking of all perspectives in a Newtonian/classical model, rather than a relativistic one. Again, relativity is deeply counter intuitive. I appreciate that. But really, if you want to make sense of this stuff, you need to appreciate that at the velocities and distances we are discussing, a stopwatch and tape measure don't work the way your whole subrelativistic life has conditioned you to expect. That's not a criticism, it's more like trying to explain colour to a blind person. That's not just you, no one's brain comes equipped to grasp this stuff instantly.[/QUOTE]Also, I appreciate your having been polite in your responses throughout this discussion.[/QUOTE]If you are genuinely interested and willing to learn, I will try my best. Thanks for the note.

 

[TrueBeliever37]

And that scenario is NOT what happens.

But, what is you measure something as 10 meters and I measure it as 5 meters. And another person measures it as 3 meters? And yet another measures it as 1 meter?

Is that an issue?

And, something that you measure as 20 meters, I measure as 10 and the third person as 6 and the last as 2?

is that problematic?

That is exactly what happens only using time.

Light is measured as taking 8 minutes to get here. But in your limiting frame reference perspective it was instantly.
Light is measured as taking 4 years to get here. But in your limiting frame reference perspective it was instantly.
Light is measured as taking 10 million years to get here. Once again in your limiting frame reference perspective it was instantly.

 

[Kangaroo Feathers]

I wouldn't have accepted 90% of science if I was not functioning.....''You'' really misunderstand me.

Until you work out the difference between a measurement of time and a measurement of distance, I'd be careful about taking that system check at face value.

 

[Darkstorn]

If you understood it so well, why didn't you answer my questions when given the opportunity?

For obvious reasons. Think about it.

I wasn't saying I understood everything anyway. I was saying I was understanding what they were telling me. I just happen to disagree with some of the conclusions that have been reached.

I'm saying you're not understanding what they were telling you. Case in point:

How could it take 4 years to get here if it actually moves from origin to destination instantly?

That tells to me that you're not understanding what they're telling you.

 

[Kangaroo Feathers]

It isn't, it is to do with the angles of light and the distance of angles and perspective.

Wrong.

 

[james blunt]

Wrong.

Here we go again, If an object contracted when travelling at c or near c, E=mc² , the kE would implode it. Like a meteor contracts entering our atmosphere and gets crushed to death to implode.

 

[Kangaroo Feathers]

That is exactly what happens only using time.

Light is measured as taking 8 minutes to get here. But in your limiting frame reference perspective it was instantly.
Light is measured as taking 4 years to get here. But in your limiting frame reference perspective it was instantly.
Light is measured as taking 10 million years to get here. Once again in your limiting frame reference perspective it was instantly.

It can also be a different time at other relativistic velocities slower than C. For example, light takes 10 million years to cross 10 million light years from a stationary perspective, and ) time at C... but it would also take significantly less than 10 million years at a high fraction of C. It's not 10 million years or zero, it's a sliding scale depending on your velocity.

Does that help?

 

[Kangaroo Feathers]

Here we go again, If an object contracted when travelling at c or near c, E=mc² , the kE would implode it. Like a meteor contracts entering our atmosphere and gets crushed to death to implode.

Wrong again. It's not mechanical contraction. The object doesn't contract from it's perspective, it only contracts from the perspective of an outside observer.