Seeing things in their past? You are full of beans!

[Thermos aquaticus]

You have come to the same conclusion I did. They don't tie each other.

In your frame of reference, they don't tie each other. That's what we have been saying from the start.

 

[james blunt]

When you are ready to learn the math that you were supposed to learn in high school we can talk.

You are living in some fantasy pal that has objective control over you. Are you capable of listening or understanding or thinking? Just ignore everything anyone says to you right ? Are you a bot ?

 

[Thermos aquaticus]

What do you think of the ideas that a photon is not really a photon but the transfer from point to point of potential energy?

A photon is an fundamental particle that does transfer energy from point to point. The potential energy would be an atom in an excited state which then releases that energy as a photon.

 

[Thermos aquaticus]

You are living in some fantasy pal that has objective control over you. Are you capable of listening or understanding or thinking? Just ignore everything anyone says to you right ? Are you a bot ?

So you are saying that the only reason we think that multiplying a time by a speed gives us a distance is because we have been brainwashed?

 

[james blunt]

A photon is an fundamental particle that does transfer energy from point to point. The potential energy would be an atom in an excited state which then releases that energy as a photon.

The photon is the potential energy I prefer to think , neutralised while traversing between mass sources.

 

[Thermos aquaticus]

Well I thought you were saying the photon would experience no time or distance, meaning it could travel any distance instantaneously.

You are not a photon, so you would observe light travelling at a set speed.

And if it can go any distance instantaneously, then we shouldn't experience a time difference in our frame of reference.

Photons are travelling at the speed of light. We are not. Therefore, what the photon experiences is different than what we experience.

 

[james blunt]

So you are saying that the only reason we think that multiplying a time by a speed gives us a distance is because we have been brainwashed?

Why do you insist on trying to re-define things?

Why can't you see that a distance is just a distance and equates by nothing else?

 

[Subduction Zone]

You are living in some fantasy pal that has objective control over you. Are you capable of listening or understanding or thinking? Just ignore everything anyone says to you right ? Are you a bot ?

You have repeatedly demonstrated a complete inability to understand the simplest of concepts. Like I said, when you are ready to learn people here will help you. Until then there really is no point in listening to you.

 

[Thermos aquaticus]

Why do you insist on trying to re-define things?

The photon has been defined as a particle for decades now. Why are you trying to redefine it?

Why can't you see that a distance is just a distance and equates by nothing else?

seconds * meters/seconds = meters

Why does this simple equation flummox you so?

 

[james blunt]

You have repeatedly demonstrated a complete inability to understand the simplest of concepts. Like I said, when you are ready to learn people here will help you. Until then there really is no point in listening to you.

Wow, you are brainwashed aren't you ?

Do you realise that what you think you know is programming of education? You actually know nothing ?

Don't you want to break free from this ?

Is it beyond you to think on your own accord?

 

[james blunt]

The photon has been defined as a particle for decades now. Why are you trying to redefine it?



seconds * meters/seconds = meters

Why does this simple equation flummox you so?

Firstly I am not re-defining anything, I am defining it correctly , your old explanation is just obsolete garbage.
Secondly I am telling you a light year is a time and speed equals a distance travelled, it is not a distance.

 

[TrueBeliever37]

You are not a photon, so you would observe light travelling at a set speed.



Photons are travelling at the speed of light. We are not. Therefore, what the photon experiences is different than what we experience.

Once again, I am not talking about me. I am talking about the photon. If it is traveling at a set speed = C , then when the distance changes so does the time involved. It doesn't matter if I know what that time or distance is or not, when one changes the other has to change to compensate. Otherwise C would not be a constant.

It's like V=IR for electricity. If you have a 125 volt battery source. When you reduce the resistance, the current goes up to compensate, and the applied voltage remains the same. If you increase the resistance, the current drops to compensate and the applied voltage remains the same.

 

[Thermos aquaticus]

Once again, I am not talking about me. I am talking about the photon. If it is traveling at a set speed = C , then when the distance changes so does the time involved.

There is no distance or time for the photon.

 

[Thermos aquaticus]

Firstly I am not re-defining anything, I am defining it correctly , your old explanation is just obsolete garbage.
Secondly I am telling you a light year is a time and speed equals a distance travelled, it is not a distance.

"The photon is a type of elementary particle, the quantum of the electromagnetic field including electromagnetic radiation such as light, and the force carrier for the electromagnetic force (even when static via virtual particles). The photon has zero rest mass and always moves at the speed of light within a vacuum."
Photon - Wikipedia

So you agree that the photon is a particle?

 

[james blunt]

"The photon is a type of elementary particle, the quantum of the electromagnetic field including electromagnetic radiation such as light, and the force carrier for the electromagnetic force (even when static via virtual particles). The photon has zero rest mass and always moves at the speed of light within a vacuum."
Photon - Wikipedia

So you agree that the photon is a particle?

No absolutely not. I do not agree with most of what Wiki says, yes I understand , but it is wrong in a sense. A ''photon'' is an energy perturbation traversing through an energy field point to point by being ''pushed''along by other ''photons''.

 

[Thermos aquaticus]

No absolutely not. I do not agree with most of what Wiki says, yes I understand , but it is wrong in a sense. A ''photon'' is an energy perturbation traversing through an energy field point to point by being ''pushed''along by other ''photons''.

A photon is defined as a particle.

 

[TrueBeliever37]

There is no distance or time for the photon.

So once again I ask you can the photon travel any physical distance, no matter what the distance instantaneously?

If it does, then the two photons I was talking about earlier in the race should have arrived at the same time. Since they left from the same origin, and travel at the same speed, and were emitted at the exact same instant. But you have already agreed that they didn't tie in the race.

 

[james blunt]

A photon is defined as a particle.

Do you realise if you only look at definitions in the context they are written, cold reading, you won't get very far at all?

Try looking at a photon in a sense of point to point energy being pushed along.

 

[james blunt]

Here , lets go high tech hey !

 

[Thermos aquaticus]

Do you realise if you only look at definitions in the context they are written, cold reading, you won't get very far at all?

Try looking at a photon in a sense of point to point energy being pushed along.

Try looking up the definition of a photon. It says it is a particle. It is even observed to act as a particle in experiments, one of which won Einstein his only Nobel Prize:

Photoelectric effect - Wikipedia

 

[Thermos aquaticus]

So once again I ask you can the photon travel any physical distance, no matter what the distance instantaneously?

For an observer that is not travelling at the speed of light they will observe the photon moving at a set speed. For the photon, there is no distance so it is meaningless to ask how long it takes to travel no distance.

If it does, then the two photons I was talking about earlier in the race should have arrived at the same time.

You would observe them arriving at different times.