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Self-criticism in the American Left base

Estro Felino

Believer in free will
Premium Member
I mean...
I guess there are so may leftists in the United States.
People who believe in social equality, in economic fairness, in a juster and more egalitarian system.

Do you really think that the Democratic Party is a leftist party?
I mean ...it's filled with speculators, banksters, people who worship the Military Industrial Complex...Big Pharma.

Do you ever engage in self-criticism?
Something like: maybe if we got rid of all these wealthy opportunists...we would recover credibility?

;)

Thank you.
 

Wirey

Fartist
Yes, precisely.
But things can change: you know...like they changed in France in 1789.
They turned France upside down.

I guess that the Democratic Party can be turned upside down as well. ;)
The French Revolution was a bad idea that quickly descended into bloodshed. That's because it started with the average citizens. The American Revolution succeeded primarily because it was not led by common citizens, but instead was run by the planter class, people with a pre-existing understanding of governmental function and administration who didn't make horrifying mistakes once they were actually in power. There's a ton to be said for experience.
 

Estro Felino

Believer in free will
Premium Member
The French Revolution was a bad idea that quickly descended into bloodshed. That's because it started with the average citizens. The American Revolution succeeded primarily because it was not led by common citizens, but instead was run by the planter class, people with a pre-existing understanding of governmental function and administration who didn't make horrifying mistakes once they were actually in power. There's a ton to be said for experience.
Well...different mentality.
I mean...sometimes I think that Frenchmen are much better than our men because the latter are just pansies and daisies who are too soft to make a revolution.
France...they are at the fifth republic because they had five revolutions. 1789, 1830, 1848, 1870, 1946.
 

Koldo

Outstanding Member
I mean...
I guess there are so may leftists in the United States.
People who believe in social equality, in economic fairness, in a juster and more egalitarian system.

Do you really think that the Democratic Party is a leftist party?
I mean ...it's filled with speculators, banksters, people who worship the Military Industrial Complex...Big Pharma.

Do you ever engage in self-criticism?
Something like: maybe if we got rid of all these wealthy opportunists...we would recover credibility?

;)

Thank you.

Here is the main issue: the other main party (Republican) is a far-right party. Meaning it is even more filled with: "speculators, banksters, people who worship the Military Industrial Complex...Big Pharma."
 

Estro Felino

Believer in free will
Premium Member
Here is the main issue: the other main party (Republican) is a far-right party. Meaning it is even more filled with: "speculators, banksters, people who worship the Military Industrial Complex...Big Pharma."
Well...
we are focusing on those who identify as leftists in the US.
Not on the parties.
 

Estro Felino

Believer in free will
Premium Member
As of now, americans have two choices. They either vote on the Republican party or the Democratic party. The former is a far-right party, the latter is not. This means that you are stuck with voting in the Democratic party if you are a leftist.
So what you are saying is that leftists in the US don't need to engage in self-criticism...because they are flawless?
 

wellwisher

Well-Known Member
The US Left; DNC, to me, appears to be composed of leaders who are more like the Classic Right; money and power. However, they use the tactics of progressive nonsense, to motivate their base, to their become more like the classic Leftists. The Left is traditionally, progressive, meaning making progress. This used to be connected to major social issues. Now this is done with narrower issues like trans gender. What had been a pathology for decades; transgender, becomes redefined, as the new way to the future; progress. The minions are motivated, to unknowingly do the dirty work of the leaders, who are in really it for money, power and votes. The Ruling class and minions work as a team, but think differently and have different goals and roles.

The source of the problem for the DNC, is the classic DNC of say President John Kennedy; love generation, addressed many important social issues; equality. Most of the good social stuff, has been dealt with over the past 60 years, and same level of motivation to progress, now has nothing real or as good, to grab onto. Now things are make up, with the more bizarre, the better, it seems to work. Trans was pathology now it is a war cry for justice, whereas racial discrimination was always unjust and not former pathology.

This last election showed the majority of people are tired of nonsense issues, trying to lead everyone down a rabbit hole. The needed self censoring of the Left's base, is still being inhibited by continued blind devotion, and not allowing anyone to question, no matter the nonsense. The mob will turn on you, if you reflect out loud or try to sober up; young black men.

There is a DNC Representative who, made the comment he did not like men in women's sport due to his daughters. He said he always believed this, but was afraid to say it out loud, since the nanny state is quite strict to deviation from the prescribed talking points. But with the loss of the election, he came forward to say, what was not to be said. Sure enough the Fascists, pounded on him. Over compensation is needed to compensate for inner doubt; brain washed.

A big part of the dynamics of the DNC, is internal fear mongering, which appears to needed to get the minions to swallow and fight for nonsense. The current DNC, reminds me of an immigrant population, in an inner city, that also has its own mafia that follows them. They stay to themselves and feel pressure from their own kind; extortion and terror, while being conditioned to be afraid to go to the police, who they are told, are even worse than their own mafia.

In the last election, many went to the other side and they found out it was safer. Trump sees the need to place good people in cabinet positions, so they can take out the DNC and Swamp mafia, and free the Lefty citizen immigrants terrorized to carry water. The powers to be; DNC mafia, are trying to resist being deported, or thrown in jail for their terror actions.
 

Viker

Your beloved eccentric Auntie Cristal
Do you really think that the Democratic Party is a leftist party
There have been attempts in the past to graft in more of a genuine leftist lean. But for the most part the party is light right, sort of the light beer of right wing (full flavor, sometimes gross) beers. So again, American "left" doesn't necessarily mean fully international/political left.
 

Estro Felino

Believer in free will
Premium Member
There have been attempts in the past to graft in more of a genuine leftist lean. But for the most part the party is light right, sort of the light beer of right wing (full flavor, sometimes gross) beers. So again, American "left" doesn't necessarily mean fully international/political left.
Yes...interesting.
My question was: don't you think it's time to change things?
To change it into a more leftist party?
:)
 

Estro Felino

Believer in free will
Premium Member
How would the Democratic party benefit from becoming more leftist? It would appeal more to leftists and less to moderates.
Who are the moderates?
I mean...what is the Democratic Party about, then?

It's about LGBTs and about convincing women to become lesbians because men are all piglets?

Because that's what I hear from them. Only.
 
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