Self-criticism in the American Left base

[Valjean]

Yes...interesting.
My question was: don't you think it's time to change things?
To change it into a more leftist party?

Yes. It's time to drop the Democrats' failed affiliation with the technical classes, and return to it's working class base.

The problem is the DNC, then.
Probably taken over by the banking cabal.

There are multiple problems, many stemming from policies and movements initiated decades ago.

 

[Valjean]

How would the Democratic party benefit from becoming more leftist? It would appeal more to leftists and less to moderates.

But who are these Leftists vs moderates? The policies the Republicans denounce as radical leftist are those that surveys indicate have wide support among the general public.
Both the Democrats and the Republicans have become tribalized. They support their teams, but asked about policies in a non-political context, they tend to lean Democratic.

 

[Valjean]

Who are the moderates?
I mean...what is the Democratic Party about, then?

It's about LGBTs and about convincing women to become lesbians because men are all piglets?

Because that's what I hear from them. Only.

I suspect the party leaders wish these lifestyle issues could just be swept under the rug. The media and opposition sensationalize them, and they distract from core policies.

 

[Estro Felino]

Yes. It's time to drop the Democrats' failed affiliation with the technical classes, and return to it's working class base.

There are multiple problems, many stemming from policies and movements initiated decades ago.

No...the problem is the DNC.
Because there are winning names out there.

But the DNC is controlled by an élite who doesn't want to win.
They just want to select the perfect warmongering candidates. Servants of the banksters.

 

[Estro Felino]

Its because America is super capitalist. Healthcare then becomes a profit making industry. And staunch capitalists don't like government taking their tax money and spending it on state controlled institutions, like healthcare, because they want people to fend for themselves so that they get to keep more of their money. To them greed trumps altruism. They are apathetic to peoples suffering, that is why they value property and money more than people's lives.

In my country there are so many private clinics.
There is not only the public, state-owned healthcare.

I have met them both.

Private clinics are for wealthy people. People who are very exigent. And the staff there treats you as a money-giver.
They don't see you as a person. More patients = more money.

In public hospitals, the staff is super nice to you, because no matter how many patients there are, their salary won't change.
They treat you as a person.

 

[Samael_Khan]

In my country there are so many private clinics.
There is not only the public, state-owned healthcare.

I have met them both.

Private clinics are for wealthy people. People who are very exigent. And the staff there treats you as a money-giver.
They don't see you as a person. More patients = more money.

In public hospitals, the staff is super nice to you, because no matter how many patients there are, their salary won't change.
They treat you as a person.

We have the same in my country.

Private hospitals can be good but medical aid is expensive and only a few can afford it.

Public hospitals have over worked and disgruntled staff. And doctors are leaving because their salary wont change.

Our government also has problems implementing things and looking after its public institutions.

What our country is doing now is that even the public can go to private hospitals and the government will pay for them. A lot of the upper class hates this though because they believe the hospitals will degrade, but it is most likely that they dont want "dirty poor" people in their spaces.

I think there has to be a balance between public and privater because too much leaning on either side can be disastrous for different reasons. (Such as government stealing money from the public systems - like mine)

 

[Valjean]

It's more likely that Republicans enforce it...
seeing how dems keep welcoming the Big Pharma.

Both parties support whomever supports them. Government policy is a commodity, for sale to the highest donor.
The Neoliberal and 'small government' revolution changed everything. Deregulation, privatization and rulings like Citizens United have privatized Banking, Healthcare, education, housing, pharmaceuticals, &al, facilitating corporate monopolization and soaring prices.

 

[Estro Felino]

Both parties support whomever supports them. Government policy is a commodity, for sale to the highest donor.
The Neoliberal and 'small government' revolution changed everything. Deregulation, privatization and rulings like Citizens United have privatized Banking, Healthcare, education, housing, pharmaceuticals, &al, facilitating corporate monopolization and soaring prices.

In my country people died for certain ideals. Like having better conditions.

If I were an American citizen, I would rather let them kill me, if they don't listen to me about free universal healthcare.

 

[Estro Felino]

We have the same in my country.

Private hospitals can be good but medical aid is expensive and only a few can afford it.

Public hospitals have over worked and disgruntled staff. And doctors are leaving because their salary wont change.

Our government also has problems implementing things and looking after its public institutions.

What our country is doing now is that even the public can go to private hospitals and the government will pay for them. A lot of the upper class hates this though because they believe the hospitals will degrade, but it is most likely that they dont want "dirty poor" people in their spaces.

I think there has to be a balance between public and privater because too much leaning on either side can be disastrous for different reasons. (Such as government stealing money from the public systems - like mine)

The private hospitals are not interested in your healing.
More days of sickness = more money.

The public hospitals want you to heal as fast as possible.

 

[Samael_Khan]

The private hospitals are not interested in your healing.
More days of sickness = more money.

The public hospitals want you to heal as fast as possible.

Yeah. I know a person who was told they had to stay in a private hospital for an extended period even though the proper procedures werent followed for heart issues. They were then given medication that ended up putting them in a coma. I have heard of such cases from this specific private hospital a few times. That is why I don't trust the private ones.

The public ones want people out quickly so they then become negligent, over worked and overwhelmed.

Neither case is good.