Self-criticism in the American Left base

[Estro Felino]

I think it's the Right obsessed with abortion, prayer in schools, and gender issues. They're the ones stirring the pot over here. The Left is waging a defensive battle.
Knowing how to avoid pregnancy, and having the self-discipline or means to avoid it, are different issues. Moreover, I'd venture a guess that the majority of unwanted pregnancies here occur among the politically indifferent, non book reading crowd.

I don't see the Left waging the Battle for more sex education, for free or affordable contraceptives.

It's all about abortion, meant to spite the Christians who don't like this word.
By this way the ones who are real conspiracy theorists will take over: the ones who believe that many dems are Satanists and they push for abortion because it's a sacred rite in Satanism.

 

[Valjean]

I don't see the Left waging the Battle for more sex education, for free or affordable contraceptives.

It's all about abortion, meant to spite the Christians who don't like this word.
By this way the ones who are real conspiracy theorists will take over: the ones who believe that many dems are Satanists and they push for abortion because it's a sacred rite in Satanism.

You missed it, then. Sex education and available contraceptives has long been promoted by the Left, and often vehemently opposed by the Right. But -- with the possible exception of the current wave of book bans -- the issue is old and pretty well played out; no longer making headlines.

What you see in social media and political discussions is often party generated rabble rousing and fear mongering, intended to vilify the opposition and generate support for the team. The Right is much better at this than the Left.

 

[BrightShadow]

Do you think all religions pattern their moral doctrine on Christianity, with its cherry-picked mitzvot? LGBTQ and pro choice are not universal religious issues, they're Christian conservative issues.

Why are you bringing Christianity into this? Did I say I am a Christian?
By the way, tell me which religion allows or even supports LGBTQ+ or pro-choice stance?

Doesn't God judge you by what's in your heart, rather than how strictly you adhere to His rule-book? Following a religious penal code is not virtue.

I am strictly adhering to 'common sense'. Apparently "common sense" is not so common nowadays.
Penal code? Btw, I am not condemning anyone - do what you want in the privacy of your home. Don't condemn the rest of us with your nonsense and make all of us go down with you. Don't ruin women's sports and compete with them pretending to be a woman when you are a man. Don't root for children to go under the knife and try to adjust their underdeveloped bodies into something they just fantasizing about. It's just a phase and some children would like to be a dinosaur. Are you helping them there reviving that fantasy?

Last I checked - we live in a real world - not a fairytale world. Opinions of majority have been ignored to accommodate a few. Even a fairytale world does not have what you are promoting and in the manner you are promoting.

Let nature take its course.
You adjust your behavior and your active or silent support for the nonsense - and I will leave you alone. Deal?

The inability to distinguish reality from illusion is not thinking outside the box.

And where is you reality now?
Are you still in a fantasy land where Kamala won?
Come back to the real reality. Your reality is the illusion!

OK... What does that have to do with the subject?

And what is the subject?
When Atheists are stuck because of 'lack of evidence' - who keeps going?
Who takes a leap of faith?
Who would believe in a solution to the conflicts in the world?

Atheists are looking at the data and your data is showing you - Putin won't stop after a compromise is reached. So, what do you do with that data? You follow the data and keep fighting until you are dead.

Have some 'faith' and make the right call even if your data suggests otherwise.

No. That's just flat-out false. Where did you get these ideas?

My post went your head.
For lack of religious convictions - Atheists stand aside when the topic like LGBTQ+ or pro-choice discussions are in play. So, by default they support them and their cause because they don't usually have any opinion about them - they don't have objective morality.
They don't see a crime in the unborn baby killed. Data shows the unborn babies don't have a 'voice'.

Remember - even as a leech like entity that attaches itself to the wall of the mother's womb - it is saying something alright. It is saying - "I want to live... I want to grow into a human. Please give me a chance."
Do you hear that voice?

Nor should you assume our lack of God-belief has anything to do with our politics

It has. It is the byproducts.
You are governed by your beliefs or lack of it.
You just don't realize it.

 

[Estro Felino]

I was just having fun!
They are smart Atheists - but a balance is needed.
If you only believe verifiable facts then you cannot think outside of the box.
Sometimes there are more than one solution to a problem. Sometimes you have to learn to settle for less and yet be a winner.
Atheist usually give their 100% support to the LGBT+ crowd and they are quietly working against all religions. They think people of faith are all delusional.
So I am giving them a taste of their own medicine.

I know many atheists who are serious people. And believe in socialism.
But they won't vote for the left-wing, because there is an obsession with LGBT issues...as if LGBTs were the center of the universe.
And by the way LGBTs have the same problems as

This the leader of the Italian left-wing (woman wearing the green shirt).

You surely understand that there is nothing serious about them.

 

[BrightShadow]

I know many atheists who are serious people. And believe in socialism.
But they won't vote for the left-wing, because there is an obsession with LGBT issues...as if LGBTs were the center of the universe.
And by the way LGBTs have the same problems as

This the leader of the Italian left-wing (woman wearing the green shirt).

You surely understand that there is nothing serious about them.

I have come to know some Atheists here - and my comments are for them.
I know there are many smart Atheists who refrain from jumping on the bandwagon of LGBTQ+ promoters.
However for lack of religious conventions - some Atheists are easily perusable by these dangerous folks and thus they remain silent.
And sometimes "silence is complicity".

 

[Wirey]

I have come to know some Atheists here - and my comments are for them.
I know there are many smart Atheists who refrain from jumping on the bandwagon of LGBTQ+ promoters.
However for lack of religious conventions - some Atheists are easily perusable by these dangerous folks and thus they remain silent.
And sometimes "silence is complicity".

I'm an atheist. I just don't care. You wanna be gay, go nuts. Just close your curtains so I don't have to watch a couple of Fuglies. And that goes for you straight people, too.

 

[Mock Turtle]

I have come to know some Atheists here - and my comments are for them.
I know there are many smart Atheists who refrain from jumping on the bandwagon of LGBTQ+ promoters.
However for lack of religious conventions - some Atheists are easily perusable by these dangerous folks and thus they remain silent.
And sometimes "silence is complicity".

I'm mostly an atheist, and since I don't presume to be an authority on sex or gender, and given that some of us are not born with the 'certainly male' or 'certainly female' biology/physiology or as to how their minds work, I will leave such up to those more expert. And I would rather treat those who are not simply male or female as they would prefer to be treated.

 

[Valjean]

Why are you bringing Christianity into this? Did I say I am a Christian?
By the way, tell me which religion allows or even supports LGBTQ+ or pro-choice stance?

Allows? Supports? What non-Abrahamic or Abrahamic-uninfluenced religion even sees these as issues? Gender or orientation is like red hair or left-handedness, not moral issues.
Pro choice? Even mainstream Christianity had little issue with abortion before the GOP comandeered it as a political rallying point.

I am strictly adhering to 'common sense'. Apparently "common sense" is not so common nowadays.
Penal code? Btw, I am not condemning anyone - do what you want in the privacy of your home. Don't condemn the rest of us with your nonsense and make all of us go down with you.

What nonsense am I promoting? What issues are taking people down?
Common sense? I try to be sensible. Where are you seeing irrationality?

Don't ruin women's sports and compete with them pretending to be a woman when you are a man.

I haven't taken a stance on this issue, but I do think "pretending to be a woman when you're a man" sounds a little sensationalistic.

Don't root for children to go under the knife and try to adjust their underdeveloped bodies into something they just fantasizing about. It's just a phase and some children would like to be a dinosaur. Are you helping them there reviving that fantasy?

I'm not rooting for anyone. This issue isn't one I'm invested in at this time.
The issue is one of medical fact. Is their orientation just a fantasy or phase, or a hard-wired, permanent condition?
What do you base your phase/fantasy belief on?
Isn't there extensive psychological assessment before any procedures are done?

Last I checked - we live in a real world - not a fairytale world. Opinions of majority have been ignored to accommodate a few. Even a fairytale world does not have what you are promoting and in the manner you are promoting.

Promoting? What the heck am I promoting?! I'm not promoting anything. I have no horse in this race. I just point out facts or ask questions where they seem relevant, errors where I see them. I do this with any issue.

And where is you reality now?
Are you still in a fantasy land where Kamala won?
Come back to the real reality. Your reality is the illusion!

????? You seem to have me pegged as something I'm not. Fantasy land? Kamala? What sort of 'illusory reality' have you put me in?

And what is the subject?
When Atheists are stuck because of 'lack of evidence' - who keeps going?

Stuck? How can an atheist be stuck? The word doesn't apply. In fact, lack of evidence is the very foundation of atheism, is it not?

Atheists are looking at the data and your data is showing you - Putin won't stop after a compromise is reached. So, what do you do with that data? You follow the data and keep fighting until you are dead.

Is there some secret atheist political movement I'm unaware of? Who brought up the Russo-Ukrainian war?

Have some 'faith' and make the right call even if your data suggests otherwise.

Data suggests otherwise? Wouldn't I be most likely to make a right call if I followed the data?

My post went your head.
For lack of religious convictions - Atheists stand aside when the topic like LGBTQ+ or pro-choice discussions are in play. So, by default they support them and their cause because they don't usually have any opinion about them - they don't have objective morality.

I think atheists are as opinionated as any other demographic about the issues of the day.
Objective morality? Perhaps we don't not. We generally have a stronger, more comprehensive, internalized, personal morality.

They don't see a crime in the unborn baby killed. Data shows the unborn babies don't have a 'voice'.
Remember - even as a leech like entity that attaches itself to the wall of the mother's womb - it is saying something alright. It is saying - "I want to live... I want to grow into a human. Please give me a chance."
Do you hear that voice?

I do not. The fœtus lacks self-awareness and self-interest. It has no wants. It's not a baby.
My moral assessment of this issue is based on relevant facts, not unsupported religious doctrine. You could say: "I am strictly adhering to 'common sense'."

It has. It is the byproducts.
You are governed by your beliefs or lack of it.
You just don't realize it.

Fair enough, but the relevant beliefs are not necessarily theological ones.

 

[BrightShadow]

Gender or orientation is like red hair or left-handedness, not moral issues.

Really? Who are you deceiving with your red hair or left-handedness?

Chromosomes don't lie!
Trying to pass as a woman is deceiving.
Call yourself what you are. Anything but a woman.
Playing against women in their sports when your chromosomes says you are a male - is not a moral issue? They have the upper hand!


I did make it clear that all Atheists don't belong in the same basket.

It is good you are separating yourself from the ones who have joined the so-called agenda pushers.

Since they don't have any objective morality - their subjective morality takes them where the wind blows.

I do not. The fœtus lacks self-awareness and self-interest.

Really you don't hear that voice?
Lacks self-interest?

What does blastocyst (early stage of fetus) do when it attaches to the uterus?

Answer:
"Once a blastocyst attaches to the uterine wall, it begins to "implant" itself deeper into the lining, essentially burrowing in, and starts to develop into an embryo, with the outer cells of the blastocyst eventually forming the placenta which will provide nourishment to the growing fetus; this process is called implantation."

It takes in nourishment from the host (the mother).
It is telling you "I want to live - I want to grow into a human. Please give me a chance."
You don't hear that because you are not using all your senses.

 

[Valjean]

Really? Who are you deceiving with your red hair or left-handedness?

Chromosomes don't lie!
Trying to pass as a woman is deceiving.
Call yourself what you are. Anything but a woman.

Exactly! It's our 'chromosomes' that create our sexual orientation and emotional styles. What makes adolescents suddenly take an interest in the (usually) opposite sex? Chromosomes! They're the same anatomical sex they were at six, but suddenly they're developing new tastes, interests and urges.... Chromosomes! It's all in their heads; in their neural pathways and activation regions. You can see it in an fMRI.

If I download an Apple operating system on the hard drive in my LG laptop, should I pretend It's still a Windows 11 computer? After all, it still looks like an LG. It has no Apple icon on the top...

Trying to pass as a man when your brain is developing typically female neural pathways and activation regions is deceiving.
Call yourself what you are. You are what's between your ears, more than what's between your legs. Your gender is your hard-wired psychological orientation, not your genitalia.

Playing against women in their sports when your chromosomes says you are a male - is not a moral issue? They have the upper hand!

Environmental collapse, wars in Europe, Africa, and the middle East, nuclear threats, incipient Fascism.... and you're concerned with trivia like this?
No, I don't see adults playing meaningless games with sticks and balls as a significant moral or political issue.
Get over it.

You're on the wrong side of history, BrightShadow. Remember how people became similarly incensed when women began wearing trousers, or voting? Remember the brouhaha when 'colored people' wanted to use the same swimming pools or eat in the same diners as white people?
We got over it. They were moral panics; emotion based outrages. This LGBT+ imbroglio is a tempest in a teapot.

Moral panic - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

I did make it clear that all Atheists don't belong in the same basket.

It is good you are separating yourself from the ones who have joined the so-called agenda pushers.

Since they don't have any objective morality - their subjective morality takes them where the wind blows.

An internalized, subjective morality is usually much more robust than a deontologic, prescriptive system.
People operating under prescriptive, religious systems tend to flout the rules when they become inconvenient -- to them, anyway. They go where the winds of convenience or self-interest take them.

The prescriptive, deontologic ethical systems typical of Abrahamic religions tend to be complex, situationally inflexible and generate harmful results in some situations.

Really you don't hear that voice?
Lacks self-interest?

Yes. There is no awareness, consciousness of self, or anticipation of futurity. IE: no self-interest.
The fœtus' consciousness or mental state is no different from that of a kidney or a tumor. Do kidneys or tumors have a claim of moral consideration?
If a fœtus has a claim of moral consideration, what features is it based on?

What does blastocyst (early stage of fetus) do when it attaches to the uterus?
Answer: "Once a blastocyst attaches to the uterine wall, it begins to "implant" itself deeper into the lining, essentially burrowing in, and starts to develop into an embryo, with the outer cells of the blastocyst eventually forming the placenta which will provide nourishment to the growing fetus; this process is called implantation."

So? A tumor does the same thing. Perhaps they "want to live," too.
Growth and development, per se, don't confer a claim to moral consideration.

It takes in nourishment from the host (the mother).
It is telling you "I want to live - I want to grow into a human. Please give me a chance."
You don't hear that because you are not using all your senses.

You wax poetic -- but not morally analytic.
It's "telling me" nothing. It has no consciousness, no awareness that it even exists, no "wants."
What features does it have that entitle it to moral consideration? -- Be consistent, now....

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

So? A tumor does the same thing. Perhaps they "want to live," too.
Growth and development, per se, don't confer a claim to moral consideration.

Comparing developing offspring to a damn tumor...wow.

 

[BrightShadow]

Exactly! It's our 'chromosomes' that create our sexual orientation and emotional styles. What makes adolescents suddenly take an interest in the (usually) opposite sex? Chromosomes! They're the same anatomical sex they were at six, but suddenly they're developing new tastes, interests and urges.... Chromosomes! It's all in their heads; in their neural pathways and activation regions. You can see it in an fMRI.

If I download an Apple operating system on the hard drive in my LG laptop, should I pretend It's still a Windows 11 computer? After all, it still looks like an LG. It has no Apple icon on the top...

Trying to pass as a man when your brain is developing typically female neural pathways and activation regions is deceiving.
Call yourself what you are. You are what's between your ears, more than what's between your legs. Your gender is your hard-wired psychological orientation, not your genitalia.

Genetically, a person is considered male if they have XY chromosomes, and female if they have XX chromosomes; the presence of a Y chromosome determines a genetic male, while females lack the Y chromosome and have two X chromosomes.


XY Chromosome = Male.
If you have 'Y' chromosome you remain a male - no matter what changes you do.
You will have certain advantages in sports over women.

At the best - you are a counterfeit!


As I said earlier...
With the progression of science - it seems - you could have as many genders as you like but leave the ones already defined from the beginning of time.
Go do surgeries and turn yourself into a half horse half human but have the decency to call yourself a 'Centaur'. Don't call yourself a woman and ruin it for the actual biological woman. Don't compete with women in their sports just because you have the advantage. Play with Men if you like!

 

[Valjean]

Comparing developing offspring to a damn tumor...wow.

It's an analogy, comparing relevant features. In this case, mental states.
What features do you consider relevant in this discussion?

 

[Valjean]

Genetically, a person is considered male if they have XY chromosomes, and female if they have XX chromosomes; the presence of a Y chromosome determines a genetic male, while females lack the Y chromosome and have two X chromosomes.

You're oversimplifying sex and gender. One can be XX, XY, XXY, XXX, XYY, XXYY, XXXY, XXXX, XXXXY, or XXXXX.
The issue is identity; what people are calling "gender." It appears to be more hard-wired and genetically determined than you think.

XY Chromosome = Male.
If you have 'Y' chromosome you remain a male - no matter what changes you do.
You will have certain advantages in sports over women.

I can see a potential problem if you find sports participation a significant issue. It's something a expect will be worked out in coming years.
Where I see a problem is in assigning people to binary social roles.

At the best - you are a counterfeit!

!!!? -- How so, pray tell?

As I said earlier...
With the progression of science - it seems - you could have as many genders as you like but leave the ones already defined from the beginning of time.

I think you're assuming the binary, Abrahamic system is universal. It's not.

Go do surgeries and turn yourself into a half horse half human but have the decency to call yourself a 'Centaur'. Don't call yourself a woman and ruin it for the actual biological woman. Don't compete with women in their sports just because you have the advantage. Play with Men if you like!

Is it the vocabulary that annoys you?
The dispute is mostly about social roles, orientation, identity, &c, not simple anatomy. People want the freedom to dress, feel, act, interact, and work as they will, without generating opposition and scorn.
We no longer enforce the strict social, dietary, religious, dress, or employment rules we once did. The relaxations were controversial in the beginning, but society adjusted.

Today it's sexual identity and 'gender' propriety that are at issue. Is it really imperative that traditional social roles be upheld?
I don't think society will collapse if 'men' begin wearing dresses, women get crew-cuts, and sexes begin consorting promiscuously or indiscriminately.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

Really? Who are you deceiving with your red hair or left-handedness?

Many people aren't naturally blonde. Do you consider that a moral issue of "deception" as well?

Chromosomes don't lie!
Trying to pass as a woman is deceiving.
Call yourself what you are. Anything but a woman.

Why do you care so much?

Playing against women in their sports when your chromosomes says you are a male - is not a moral issue? They have the upper hand!

Yes, I agree with that.

Since they don't have any objective morality - their subjective morality takes them where the wind blows.

I disagree. I would say that secular / humanistic morality is about as close to "objective morality" as it gets, since it is based on objective evidence instead of the proclamations by some authority. In authority based morality (like religious morality), the morality is subjective to the authority.
"X is good because Y says so."

Whereas in my secular / humanistic morality, things are actually moral or immoral because of reasons based on real world facts.
Real world facts in how certain actions affect the well-being or suffering of sentient creatures.

In my morality, "X is good, not because Y says so, but because X objectively leads to A and B, which positively impacts well-being".
This also is a type of morality which is actually open to progress and improvement, since we can learn of new facts which might alter our understanding of how certain actions affect well-being or suffering. This is something that in essence can't happen in authority based morality, because the proclamations are what they are and can't change unless the authority says so.


In other words, I consider secular / humanistic morality to be vastly superior to authority based morality.
And I submit that the vast majority of religious folks agree with that also, considering how they cherry pick which religious "rules" or supposedly "moral" directives they will follow and which not. The reasoning they use to decide this, doesn't come from their religion. It comes from secular / humanistic reasoning.

This is why, for example, they will generally be against slavery even though their religious books have no problem with slavery at all.

Really you don't hear that voice?
Lacks self-interest?

What does blastocyst (early stage of fetus) do when it attaches to the uterus?

Answer:
"Once a blastocyst attaches to the uterine wall, it begins to "implant" itself deeper into the lining, essentially burrowing in, and starts to develop into an embryo, with the outer cells of the blastocyst eventually forming the placenta which will provide nourishment to the growing fetus; this process is called implantation."

It takes in nourishment from the host (the mother).
It is telling you "I want to live - I want to grow into a human. Please give me a chance."
You don't hear that because you are not using all your senses.

What the abortion debate completely lacks, is the fact that the "against" view completely ignores the concept of personhood.

 

[BrightShadow]

You're oversimplifying sex and gender. One can be XX, XY, XXY, XXX, XYY, XXYY, XXXY, XXXX, XXXXY, or XXXXX.
The issue is identity; what people are calling "gender." It appears to be more hard-wired and genetically determined than you think.

Also @TagliatelliMonster


Ok now you have gone on a different level to disqualify yourself from any meaningful conversation.
Now you are bringing in genetic abnormalities (Klinefelter syndrome etc.). It is a syndrome! Why do you think it is called a "syndrome"?
Ring any bells?
It is an error. It is a condition. It is a genetic abnormality!
Are you promoting that people should acquire this syndrome? Aren't 46 enough?

If you mess with the genes and try to edit it or enhance it - all humans will end up looking like this...
One gender! Most folks think they are from another planet.

We should do everything possible to NOT get there.
In many many years from now people like you will finally be happy! But the majority in the future will regret it.

All I can say now - don't mess with the ~genes~




Anyhow - at the end of the day - you are only making my point that XY chromosomes means a man and if you are XY then you should not claim to be a woman.
When you have Y chromosome Y claim to be a woman? That is an . Get it?

Claim what your chromosome say you are! Period.
By the way - talking about "period" - can a XY man reproduce? Can they ever could? Do they have reproductive organs?
Don't you smell "counterfeit"?

A biological man with XY chromosome would generally have bigger lungs. And what happens when you have bigger lungs?
Ring any bells?
You can breath in more air - meaning you can avail yourself to more oxygen as needed (when you are running hard).
Do we allow performance enhancements?
Bringing in a bigger lungs into the equation - is in a way performance enhancement.

Check the data regarding the fastest man and fastest woman in the world. I could post links but I am confident you can do your own research.
Thousands of men (on record) have run faster than the fastest woman in the world!

There is no comparison there!
So, you just cannot suddenly start competing at 100 meters or compete in swimming with woman with a man's lungs.

It seems both of you - in a way agree that a biological man with bigger lungs and different hip settings (difference in shape and size of hip bones) should not compete in women's sport. Am I right?

Just leave it that.


Free your mind from believing biological man can compete in woman's sports and the rest should follow.

Dress up whatever way you feel like - put lipstick on a pig - call yourself a Centaur.
Just don't try to sell me as something - it is not!

This conversation has gone far enough.
Tell the scientists to stop messing with the genes. They will end up making all humans looking like those so-called aliens! See the pic?

 

[BrightShadow]

Looking at the Avatar/ PFP of @TagliatelliMonster
You are already from the future!

 

[Valjean]

Syndrome or not, it's a variation of the normal XX or XY sex hormone complement. Not everyone is either-or.
Again, the issue revolves around identity, and identity, in this case, involves neural pathways, activation areas &c. These, in turn, are largely inborn, ie: genetic.

You seem quite concerned with gender identity in sports. I can see where that would be an issue, but one that will likely be worked out. Personally, sport is not an interest of mine. I'm more concerned with social ramifications.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

Also @TagliatelliMonster


Ok now you have gone on a different level to disqualify yourself from any meaningful conversation.
Now you are bringing in genetic abnormalities (Klinefelter syndrome etc.). It is a syndrome! Why do you think it is called a "syndrome"?
Ring any bells?
It is an error. It is a condition. It is a genetic abnormality!
Are you promoting that people should acquire this syndrome? Aren't 46 enough?

If you mess with the genes and try to edit it or enhance it - all humans will end up looking like this...
One gender! Most folks think they are from another planet.

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We should do everything possible to NOT get there.
In many many years from now people like you will finally be happy! But the majority in the future will regret it.

All I can say now - don't mess with the ~genes~




Anyhow - at the end of the day - you are only making my point that XY chromosomes means a man and if you are XY then you should not claim to be a woman.
When you have Y chromosome Y claim to be a woman? That is an . Get it?

Claim what your chromosome say you are! Period.
By the way - talking about "period" - can a XY man reproduce? Can they ever could? Do they have reproductive organs?
Don't you smell "counterfeit"?

A biological man with XY chromosome would generally have bigger lungs. And what happens when you have bigger lungs?
Ring any bells?
You can breath in more air - meaning you can avail yourself to more oxygen as needed (when you are running hard).
Do we allow performance enhancements?
Bringing in a bigger lungs into the equation - is in a way performance enhancement.

Check the data regarding the fastest man and fastest woman in the world. I could post links but I am confident you can do your own research.
Thousands of men (on record) have run faster than the fastest woman in the world!

There is no comparison there!
So, you just cannot suddenly start competing at 100 meters or compete in swimming with woman with a man's lungs.

It seems both of you - in a way agree that a biological man with bigger lungs and different hip settings (difference in shape and size of hip bones) should not compete in women's sport. Am I right?

Just leave it that.


Free your mind from believing biological man can compete in woman's sports and the rest should follow.

Dress up whatever way you feel like - put lipstick on a pig - call yourself a Centaur.
Just don't try to sell me as something - it is not!

This conversation has gone far enough.
Tell the scientists to stop messing with the genes. They will end up making all humans looking like those so-called aliens! See the pic?

Why did you tag me in this post?

 

[BrightShadow]

Why did you tag me in this post?

Because your name starts with "TAG"