Senator Robert F Kennedy Jr exposes democrats for what they really are.

[Estro Felino]

Well, I think the word gets overused a lot to the point where it starts to lose its meaning and overall effect. This is true for many words which are used as pejorative labels more than anything else. They start to lose their zing after a while, which is a good reason for not using them frivolously or whimsically. It also makes the user of such a term come off as far too overzealous and quite likely just as extremist as the person they're trying to label. As they say, when you point your finger at someone, there are three fingers pointing back at you.

You understood my point perfectly.

I also meant there is a past most of us have completely forgotten because we have had the closure with the past.
The closure, medically and psychologically speaking.
So using this term to try to ridicule a politician that has never done anything fascistic is unlistenable.

 

[Estro Felino]

no because his actions, rhetoric and policies align with fascism and which as nothing to do with your homophobia

What actions?
Has he ever censored the press as Mussolini did?
Has he ever ordered to silence opponents as Mussolini did?

 

[Revoltingest]

General Milley was Trump's top General only during Trump's last year in office. Then he was the head General under Biden for three years. Based on time, Milley was Biden's General. That could explain his loyalty, now.

Loyalty?
Unsupported accusation.

Milley came on Trump's staff, in the time frame of the Hunter Biden laptop; October 2019. That laptop was seized by the FBI, under subpoena, and was verified to be genuine by December 2019. Milley, should have know it was authentic, after two months into this service under Trump; Joint Chief of Staff. He has friends in the FBI at the top level. If he was truly Trump's top General and Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, we would have fought to defend the truth. Yet he never spoke out against the DNC and Russian Disinformation and Censorship scam of Biden and the Swamp that happened almost a year later in October 2020, just before the 2020 election. Milley is part of the disinformation problem.

FBI knew the Hunter Biden laptop was real in 2019, IRS whistleblowers say - Washington Examiner

The military’s role doesn’t include such politics.
An acting general should not weigh in, even when the Russian collusion charges are specious.

This topic is about DNC disinformation and censorship. Milley, by his actions or lack thereof went along with the DNC labeled Russian Disinformation claim and then never opposed the censorship scam of FBI verified truth. Then again, Kennedy is also explaining how the DNC will not only lie, censor and black ball you, but they will also get malicious if you step out of line. Remember what they did to General Flynn, who refused to endorse the Russian Collusion coup against Trump. They used law fare, until he was bankrupted, and then they threatened his son with the same. Flynn talk the hit to make it stop. He was a warning to all.

The Modern DNC is not your father's DNC. It is a product of Affirmative Action and DEI, where the DNC stopped recruiting the best, but tried to recruit based on checking shallow boxes that had little to do with job performance. Now, if you are a cross dresser you can be the head of the Secret Service, no other experience is required. When you get a bunch of incompetent people, in power, based on victim status and quid pro quo, expect lies, intrigue, maliciousness and lock step loyalty, since competence and statesmanship are off the table. Kennedy was trying to be a Statesman; truth to power, and you can see the insecure retaliation.

The two failed assassination attempts and the poor response to hurricane Helene, by the DEI Biden-Harris Administration has made this obvious, and now it has become a gift to Trump. His claims of corruption are now being understood as being true. Once loyal members of the DNC, like Kennedy and others, who voted for Biden, are leaving the party, since many are waking up to the obvious and/or becoming victims of these malicious traders.

Tulsi Gabbard, who took out Harris in the 2020 DNC primaries debates, was place on the terror watch list, so when she travels there Federal Marshals on board to harass her like this is real. They do not want her speaking out. This is the new DNC. I hope Trump gives them a taste of their own medicine.

Gabbard cites ‘political retaliation’ for her addition to TSA watch list

Irrelevant to the issue of Trump’s fascist tendencies.

 

[Revoltingest]

No...because it means to distort a piece of history of a country.

Italy’s support for Hitler is no mere “piece of history “.

So you are affirming that my country is so important that its political history is used to define politicians from the USA.
Wow...that's flattering.
I am really flattered, sir.


If she were a lesbian, there would be nothing wrong.
Being a lesbian is a normal thing.

Yet you wield sexual orientation as a weapon.

Saying Trump is a fascist is absolutely false because Fascism was born in 1922 in Italy and ended in 1945, after Mussolini was executed.

In English, “fascist” is applicable.
This word’s definition is broader than you know.

 

[Stevicus]

You understood my point perfectly.

I also meant there is a past most of us have completely forgotten because we have had the closure with the past.
The closure, medically and psychologically speaking.
So using this term to try to ridicule a politician that has never done anything fascistic is unlistenable.

It's much the same thing when conservative politicians try to label liberals as "socialist," "communist," "pinko," etc.

As far as ridiculing politicians who have never done anything fascistic, that might be open to debate. Some have derided the War on Drugs as a fascistic endeavor, and as such, any President or politician who has supported drug prohibition can be called a "fascist" on that basis alone. (And if they claim to believe in free enterprise, they can also rightly be called "hypocrites" as well.)

Fascism is also characterized by deep love of country and patriotism. All of the politicians who wear American flag pins might fall into that category. Trump's America First position is quite nationalistic, and nationalism is a cornerstone of fascism. However, the militarism and interventionist policies supported by both parties could also be considered a form of thinly veiled nationalism, which could be deemed fascistic.

 

[Argentbear]

What actions?
Has he ever censored the press as Mussolini did?
Has he ever ordered to silence opponents as Mussolini did?

January 20, 2020 Trump forbids the use of social media by National Park Service employees. The gag order arrived hours after the official National Park Service Twitter account retweeted photos comparing the Trump inauguration to the 2009 Obama inauguration.

January 23. 2020 Trump signs executive order for the Environmental Protection Agency, the Department of Agriculture’s Agricultural Research Service, and Department of Health and Human Services, forbidding these agencies from communication with the press and the public.

January 25, 2020 Trump signs executive order forcing employees of the Environmental Protection Agency to remove a page detailing climate change and scientific global warming research from its website.



and that was just his first week in office

 

[Estro Felino]

Yet you wield sexual orientation as a weapon.

FDR is like Clinton...very similar.
Eleanor Roosevelt like Hillary.

In English, “fascist” is applicable.
This word’s definition is broader than you know.

In my country fascist means just one thing.
1922-1945 Period.

 

[Revoltingest]

Well, I think the word gets overused a lot to the point where it starts to lose its meaning and overall effect. This is true for many words which are used as pejorative labels more than anything else. They start to lose their zing after a while, which is a good reason for not using them frivolously or whimsically. It also makes the user of such a term come off as far too overzealous and quite likely just as extremist as the person they're trying to label. As they say, when you point your finger at someone, there are three fingers pointing back at you.

Are you defending Trump against criticism that he is fascist? The general is in a better position to judge Trump in this manner than any but Pence.

 

[Stevicus]

Are you defending Trump against criticism that he is fascist? The general is in a better position to judge Trump in this manner than any but Pence.

I'm just talking in general terms about the word "fascist" and how it's been used over the years. I'm not defending Trump or anyone else, and I made no mention of any general in this thread. In fact, I even gave support to the contention that Trump could be considered a fascist by his support of ideals such as America First.

 

[Estro Felino]

It's much the same thing when conservative politicians try to label liberals as "socialist," "communist," "pinko," etc.

Two wrongs don't make a right.
Exactly.
That is just as ridiculous.

As far as ridiculing politicians who have never done anything fascistic, that might be open to debate. Some have derided the War on Drugs as a fascistic endeavor, and as such, any President or politician who has supported drug prohibition can be called a "fascist" on that basis alone. (And if they claim to believe in free enterprise, they can also rightly be called "hypocrites" as well.)

It's utterly confusing and people need these big highlines.

Fascism is also characterized by deep love of country and patriotism. All of the politicians who wear American flag pins might fall into that category. Trump's America First position is quite nationalistic, and nationalism is a cornerstone of fascism.

They probably think that singing the anthem is fascistic too.

However, the militarism and interventionist policies supported by both parties could also be considered a form of thinly veiled nationalism, which could be deemed fascistic.

Indeed.

 

[Revoltingest]

I'm just talking in general terms about the word "fascist" and how it's been used over the years. I'm not defending Trump or anyone else, and I made no mention of any general in this thread.

General terms that appear to reinforce the Maga arguments. It sounds like one of those “just saying” statements with plausible deniability for what’s implied.

 

[Stevicus]

General terms that appear to reinforce the Maga arguments. It sounds like one of those “just saying” statements with plausible deniability for what’s implied.

So is this another "those who are not with us are against us" statements?

 

[Pogo]

It's offensive to me. To my country.
Because the word fascism belongs to our history.
So this man cannot use it to define a former president running for presidency.
In his administration he had showed the world he is not a fascist.

I gave you an example of unsubstantiated claim.
It is identical to the Fascist Trump claim.

Please tell us how this description of fascism by an actual Italian fascist of the 1940s does not describe Trump and the Maga movement?


For opponents of fascism, Umberto Eco put together 14 common features of fascism, which he labeled ur-fascism, as follows:

1. The cult of tradition. “One has only to look at the syllabus of every fascist movement to find the major traditionalist thinkers. The Nazi gnosis was nourished by traditionalist, syncretistic, occult elements.”
2. The rejection of modernism. “The Enlightenment, the Age of Reason, is seen as the beginning of modern depravity. In this sense Ur-Fascism can be defined as irrationalism.”
3. The cult of action for action’s sake. “Action being beautiful in itself, it must be taken before, or without, any previous reflection. Thinking is a form of emasculation.”
4. Disagreement is treason. “The critical spirit makes distinctions, and to distinguish is a sign of modernism. In modern culture the scientific community praises disagreement as a way to improve knowledge.”
5. Fear of difference. “The first appeal of a fascist or prematurely fascist movement is an appeal against the intruders. Thus Ur-Fascism is racist by definition.”
6. Appeal to social frustration. “One of the most typical features of the historical fascism was the appeal to a frustrated middle class, a class suffering from an economic crisis or feelings of political humiliation, and frightened by the pressure of lower social groups.”
7. The obsession with a plot. “Thus at the root of the Ur-Fascist psychology there is the obsession with a plot, possibly an international one. The followers must feel besieged.”
8. The enemy is both strong and weak. “By a continuous shifting of rhetorical focus, the enemies are at the same time too strong and too weak.”
9. Pacifism is trafficking with the enemy. “For Ur-Fascism there is no struggle for life but, rather, life is lived for struggle.”
10. Contempt for the weak. “Elitism is a typical aspect of any reactionary ideology.”
11. Everybody is educated to become a hero. “In Ur-Fascist ideology, heroism is the norm. This cult of heroism is strictly linked with the cult of death.”
12. Machismo and weaponry. “Machismo implies both disdain for women and intolerance and condemnation of nonstandard sexual habits, from chastity to homosexuality.”
13. Selective populism. “There is in our future a TV or Internet populism, in which the emotional response of a selected group of citizens can be presented and accepted as the Voice of the People.”
14. Ur-Fascism speaks Newspeak. “All the Nazi or Fascist schoolbooks made use of an impoverished vocabulary, and an elementary syntax, in order to limit the instruments for complex and critical reasoning.”

Read the whole essay - but as you can see, many of the elements are more modern (like the rejection of modernism itself, as well as its use as a mass political movement to appeal to a frustrated middle class. source

from the essay which is behind a paywall, Eco's bona fides.
In 1942, at the age of ten, I received the First Provincial Award of Ludi Juveniles (a voluntary, compulsory competition for young Italian Fascists—that is, for every young Italian). I elaborated with rhetorical skill on the subject “Should we die for the glory of Mussolini and the immortal destiny of Italy?” My answer was positive. I was a smart boy.

I spent two of my early years among the SS, Fascists, Republicans, and partisans shooting at one another, and I learned how to dodge bullets. It was good exercise.



Also, you can't have lesbian, that's greek.
Also, fascism the movement is not derived directly from fasces rather that would be fagot which happened to be a popular motif in certain authoritarian organizations.

 

[Revoltingest]

So is this another "those who are not with us are against us" statements?

Deflecting.

 

[Stevicus]

Two wrongs don't make a right.
Exactly.
That is just as ridiculous.

Yes, but that doesn't stop Republicans from calling Harris a "socialist" either, while many Democrats balk against that kind of talk. I don't think such labels are helpful at all, yet I find it interesting that so many political partisans insist upon dying on that hill. They're far more concerned about labeling people and making those labels stick, as opposed to discussing real issues that affect real people.

Politics has been reduced to nothing more than a childish game of "I know you are, but what am I?" And people wonder why things have degenerated so badly in American political discourse.

It's utterly confusing and people need these big highlines.

They probably think that singing the anthem is fascistic too.

Indeed.

What I've noticed is that, while people get so caught up in wanting to label people and use every trick in the book to try to win elections, they seemingly failed to observe that much of American society and culture have been geared and set up to be fascist already.

We have a highly patriotic society, very militaristic with a never-ending celebration of war.

We have a strong bent towards law and order and enforcing public morals, which is the main reason prohibition came about and other laws to govern human behavior. Conservatives who balk about the "nanny state" fail to realize that we've had "nannies" running this country all along (along with church ladies).

For generations, the American people have been conditioned to believe that the outside world is filled with potential enemies - dictators, tyrants, fanatics, and other evil people who want to do us harm. The idea that "we're all surrounded by enemies" is another prominent element found in fascism.

Fascism also has a social Darwinian view of the world in that "only the strong shall survive." There are some capitalists of a conservative bent who take a similar view regarding the plight of the lower classes and the class hierarchy overall. Trump would, of course, fall into that category.

That doesn't mean that Trump is actually a fascist. It also doesn't mean that he's not a fascist. I don't think that the label really means anything, to be honest. The same basic mentality and mindset can be manifested in many different ways, and it can be called different things, depending on the language and the culture where it occurs. It's almost never used to identify someone's actual political affiliations or official party membership, as that largely seems irrelevant nowadays. The names and labels don't matter. It's the content behind them.

 

[Stevicus]

Deflecting.

There was nothing to deflect.

 

[Twilight Hue]

Let’s hope the Trump will accept his loss this time and not lie about it. And if he does lie let’s hope that MAGAs have learned not to follow his direction and attack the USA.

That didn't happen In the first place.

Trump had called for a peaceful demonstration right from the get go.

 

[PureX]

Robert F. Kennedy Jr's relationship to reality is such that I would not expect him to be able to reveal anything about it to anyone except for the fact that some people are really nuts. And at the present time, most of those people seem to be in the Trump camp/cult.

 

[Twilight Hue]

January 20, 2020 Trump forbids the use of social media by National Park Service employees. The gag order arrived hours after the official National Park Service Twitter account retweeted photos comparing the Trump inauguration to the 2009 Obama inauguration.

January 23. 2020 Trump signs executive order for the Environmental Protection Agency, the Department of Agriculture’s Agricultural Research Service, and Department of Health and Human Services, forbidding these agencies from communication with the press and the public.

January 25, 2020 Trump signs executive order forcing employees of the Environmental Protection Agency to remove a page detailing climate change and scientific global warming research from its website.



and that was just his first week in office

Biden attacks the free press.

White House Purges 442 Reporters Using New Press Credential Rules

There are now 442 fewer reporters with a coveted White House “hard pass”—the result of new rules imposed by Joe Biden’s press office.

www.dailysignal.com

Of course the Biden administration will never again interfere with a constitutionally free press.

https://www.cnn.com/2021/06/05/politics/justice-department-leak-investigations-reporters-new-york-times/index.html

And that was just a couple of years ago.

 

[Argentbear]

Biden attacks the free press.

White House Purges 442 Reporters Using New Press Credential Rules

There are now 442 fewer reporters with a coveted White House “hard pass”—the result of new rules imposed by Joe Biden’s press office.

www.dailysignal.com

Of course the Biden administration will never again interfere with a constitutionally free press.

https://www.cnn.com/2021/06/05/politics/justice-department-leak-investigations-reporters-new-york-times/index.html

And that was just a couple of years ago.

Do you ever post anything that is actually based on fact?

lets take a look at the "White House Purge" and it's attack on the free press.

The new rules, are actually the old rules that have been in place since the 80's that for some reason Trump tossed in the waste basket.
First your article implies that some reporters were singled out for the new rules but that is false. ALL...every single reporter was given 3 months to apply for the hard press pass.

The requirements for the new hard press pass:
full-time employment with an outlet whose primary business is news gathering. If the applicant is a freelancer, the press office needs letters from at least two news organizations describing their affiliation.
a completed background check
A residential address
Applicants to have been on the White House grounds within the past six months, or have proof of employment to cover the White House within the past three months.

The horrors