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Separation of families at the border

fantome profane

Anti-Woke = Anti-Justice
Premium Member
Yep. I could have sworn I saw June 21, 2019. Wishful thinking I guess. Thanks. :) Apologies.
And keep in mind that many of those children who were separated a year ago still have not been reunited with their parents. Some of the children were sent to other states, and their parents were deported. And no records were kept to track where any of them went. Some of these children may never see their parents again.
 

Shad

Veteran Member
Look closer. That story was posted in 2018, a year ago. It was more than a year ago that Trump signed an executive order to stop separating children from their parents. And it has not stopped.

Read the EO. It only extended the Flores agreement to 20-days and fast tracked family cases. It can't override the law itself.
 

Rise

Well-Known Member
I do not wish to see anybody, or any nation, destroyed. Nor do I think that the past can be amended -- the past is the past. That does not, however, mean that decent and fair-minded people cannot look diligently for ways to mitigate the unfairness under which a large number of people still live.

Which is exactly why your question was invalid and hypocritical.
Opening the borders today to the rest of the third world has nothing to do with mitigating what happened in the past with the native Americans, unless you want to destroy America as punishment for what happened to the native Americans. Since you don't advocate that happen to America, there is no reason for you to suggest anyone should let it happen because of what happened to the native Americans. Since you don't even take the position that that should happen, it's hypocritical for you to pose a question that implies others should take that position because their ancestors supposedly did the same thing to others.

Over 500 treaties were signed between the US Government and native communities, mostly for land cessations, but all 500 were also nullified, by the government, whenever it suited the government's agenda. Why not start with trying to abide by a few of the more recent ones, and then start working slowly, diligently, pragmatically -- but with at least good will and an honest heart -- from there? Is that not what a truly "Christian" people would dearly want to do? Or is there still more to be taken away before the conquerors are completely satisfied?

Those are all irrelevant red herrings that have nothing to do with the topic of illiegal immigration.
Whether or not we are today treating the Native American's fairly is a different topic of debate unrelated to the topic of how unchecked illegal immigration is harmful to the nation.
 
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fantome profane

Anti-Woke = Anti-Justice
Premium Member
Read the EO. It only extended the Flores agreement to 20-days and fast tracked family cases. It can't override the law itself.
Thank you for that explanation. I do appreciate it.

But regardless they are still separating children. And I don’t think it matters to a child which specific part of the legal code is responsible for the government taking away their mommy and daddy.

And this administration is still in constant violation of the Flores agreement in horrific ways.
 

SugarOcean

¡pɹᴉǝM ʎɐʇS
And keep in mind that many of those children who were separated a year ago still have not been reunited with their parents. Some of the children were sent to other states, and their parents were deported. And no records were kept to track where any of them went. Some of these children may never see their parents again.
A mistake not to send them back with their parents, truly.
How many American kids won't ever see their parents because of the transport of these illegal minors around the country and set into our public schools?
The Children, the Caravan, and Health - AAPS | Association of American Physicians and Surgeons

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Shad

Veteran Member
Thank you for that explanation. I do appreciate it.

But regardless they are still separating children. And I don’t think it matters to a child which specific part of the legal code is responsible for the government taking away their mommy and daddy.

And this administration is still in constant violation of the Flores agreement in horrific ways.

Flores is why they are separating families combined with a slow review process. If a review does not make a determination within 20-days they remove the children from the general population by Flores Parents are detained via the 3rd option of immigration review. The 1st option is release on based on a promise to be reviewed. The 2nd is sponsorship. Trump's policy is only to use the 3rd combined with declaring any child is an unaccompanied minor until review determines otherwise. It is a very selective use of existing laws.

It is hard to counter legally.
 
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