Seven Reasons it's easier to Believe in God than to Accept Evolution

[LuisDantas]

I don't subscribe to the idea that it was scientists that showed it was a fraud. I would say they couldn't hide it anymore.

Piltdown was just an example on why I won't trust what I hear.

If something contradicts with what Allah tells us, than I am sure I know who is the one at fault. After all there was a time when the brightest minds on earth thought that the earth was flat.

They would need a whole lot of ability to "hide" things by now...

 

[Sabour]

From here: Piltdown hoax revealed | Natural History Museum


You shouldn't. It's a good thing that you don't. That's why you need to get more information. If you only stick to one source, you will be lost. Pick up information and knowledge from many places and over time. That's better.


Allah didn't tell you these things. Allah supposedly told Mohammad, but can you be sure Mohammad hear everything correctly? Are you sure he didn't try to explain it in simplified terms for ancient people who didn't have science?

Can you imagine if you would travel in time back to that time and explain to anyone what a Black Hole in space is? Or how big the universe is? Or even how fractions, integrals, limits works in math? You would have to explain in a simple way. Perhaps Mohammad hear from Allah, but he had to make it simple and easy to understand and speak in figurative language? If Mohammad got scientific information from Allah, then why wasn't modern medicine invented until recently? It shouldn't have taken that long. All things considered, if God told any prophet anything, it would never be possible to understand it or take it literal. You have to read it and interpret it in the time it was made in.

Well Muhammad peace be upon him was a prophet and the last one sent to share the message of God to the whole mankind. Let us assume that you are a believer in that.

The purpose of the prophet is to share the message with people to worship God and only God. God chooses them for that purpose.

As a believer in that, do you think Allah would send a prophet that would forget? Do you think Allah would allow something to pass through a prophet that was false?

Of course not. After all, if that was the case, than there will be no need for prophets.

 

[Ouroboros]

Well Muhammad peace be upon him was a prophet and the last one sent to share the message of God to the whole mankind. Let us assume that you are a believer in that.

The purpose of the prophet is to share the message with people to worship God and only God. God chooses them for that purpose.

As a believer in that, do you think Allah would send a prophet that would forget? Do you think Allah would allow something to pass through a prophet that was false?

To use figurative language to describe deeper meanings is not lying and is not false, it's just not literal.

For instance, black holes exist. We know they do. But... the word "black hole" is wrong. It's not a hole to begin with. There are many things in science, literature, philosophy, and more where words and phrases and descriptions have been used that are not literally true, but still contain meanings and truths.

Of course not. After all, if that was the case, than there will be no need for prophets.

There's a difference between using words for literal understanding (which kills the spirit) and the spiritual understanding behind the words (the true intention).

There are similes and metaphors in the Quran. They are not to be understood literally, but to be understood what they stand for.

Take this one for instance: “Then your hearts hardened and became like rocks, or even harder “ (Quran 2: 74)

Does that mean that their physical/biological hearts became real rocks? (literal) Or does it convey a meaning of how their minds got hardened against the message? (figurative) It's the latter, isn't it? So, it's not a literal meaning but figurative. And more like this can be seen and understood in all religious literature. It's religious prose to explain the spiritual truth, not the scientific or literal truth. There's a deeper purpose there. Don't you think?

 

[Sabour]

sing words for literal understanding (which kills the spirit) and the spiritual understanding behind the words (the true intention).

There are similes and metaphors in the Quran. They are not to be understood literally, but to be understood what they stand for.

Take this one for instance: “Then your hearts hardened and became like rocks, or even harder “ (Quran 2: 74)

Does that mean that their physical/biological hearts became real rocks? (literal) Or does it convey a meaning of how their minds got hardened against the message? (figurative) It's the latter, isn't it? So, it's not a literal meaning but figurative. And more like this can be seen and understood in all religious literature. It's religious prose to explain the spiritual truth, not the scientific or literal truth. There's a deeper purpose there. Don't you think?

I agree with that regard, however this is not for the whole verses of Quraan. Some things are explicitly stated and clear in meaning and some time the Quraan explains it self clearly.

55:14 He created man from clay like [that of] pottery.

 

[Sabour]

They would need a whole lot of ability to "hide" things by now...

I don't bet on that

 

[Sabour]

So you chalk evolutionary evidence up to a conspiracy within the science community? That's definitely what it sounds like when you imply that they were trying to hide the fact that they knew it was a hoax. I'd actually like to see some references that scientists knowingly suppressed the truth on Piltdown Man (as opposed to simply being fooled by it themselves).

I didn't say they were hiding it. I said it is a possibility

 

[Sabour]

Congratulations to you One Answer.

Its a rare poster that admits they were wrong. When you do that it shows you have an open mind. Listen to these guys and maybe you'll see why you don't have to" believe" in evolution. Learning the facts behind the theory can lead to understanding

Well thanks on the congratulations

 

[Sabour]

I don't see how scientific knowledge contradicts Allah at all. Btw, most ancient scholars didn't think the world was flat. Oh, it was scientists that exposed piltdown as a hoax.

exposed it after about 40 years? Thanks but no thanks

 

[Parsimony]

I didn't say they were hiding it. I said it is a possibility

Except that's exactly what you said:

I don't subscribe to the idea that it was scientists that showed it was a fraud. I would say they couldn't hide it anymore.

If you don't think scientists showed it to be a fraud, then who did and how?

 

[Sabour]

Except that's exactly what you said:



If you don't think scientists showed it to be a fraud, then who did and how?

Busted

Okay that what I said. I take it back and say it is a possibility. A huge one though. What it could be if it was not hiding it? Well it would be negligence

 

[Parsimony]

What it could be if it was not hiding it? Well it would be negligence

Except that it doesn't need to have been a cover-up or negligence. It could have been a simple mistake. No one is perfect.

 

[Sabour]

Except that it doesn't need to have been a cover-up or negligence. It could have been a simple mistake. No one is perfect.

Simple mistake took 40 years to know about? And is there a room for mistake in such matters? Must not they be more qualified?

Honestly I don't buy this.

 

[LuisDantas]

One fraud among decades of varied forms of evidence? That is hardly a problem.

 

[Sabour]

One fraud among decades of varied forms of evidence? That is hardly a problem.

Isn't there others? I haven't searched, am only asking?

 

[Parsimony]

Simple mistake took 40 years to know about? And is there a room for mistake in such matters? Must not they be more qualified?

It doesn't matter whether "there is room for a mistake" or not, because mistakes will happen. It is an inevitable part of being human. The mistake was found and corrected. That's how science works. Some scientists were unconvinced by it from the beginning.

I admit that I don't know much about the Piltdown Man hoax, but my best guess is that the claims were not investigated in the depth that they should have initially been. If they had, they would have been able to deduce its falsehood earlier (for example, the skull and jawbone would have yielded inconsistent dates, demonstrating that they were not from the same organism).

The mistake would have been a failure to critically evaluate the find sooner than they did.

Honestly I don't buy this.

Even if this was a case of negligence of some particular scientists, that hardly means that all scientists are negligent enough for the entire collection of hominid fossils to be a series of hoaxes. That would be a gigantic reach indeed. The only other option is conspiracy, which is pretty much non-falsifiable and new conspiracies can be invented as they are needed by the conspiracy theorist to explain a lack of evidence for the first conspiracy.

 

[Sabour]

It doesn't matter whether "there is room for a mistake" or not, because mistakes will happen. It is an inevitable part of being human. The mistake was found and corrected. That's how science works. Some scientists were unconvinced by it from the beginning.

I admit that I don't know much about the Piltdown Man hoax, but my best guess is that the claims were not investigated in the depth that they should have initially been. If they had, they would have been able to deduce its falsehood earlier (for example, the skull and jawbone would have yielded inconsistent dates, demonstrating that they were not from the same organism).

The mistake would have been a failure to critically evaluate the find sooner than they did.


Even if this was a case of negligence of some particular scientists, that hardly means that all scientists are negligent enough for the entire collection of hominid fossils to be a series of hoaxes. That would be a gigantic reach indeed. The only other option is conspiracy, which is pretty much non-falsifiable and new conspiracies can be invented as they are needed by the conspiracy theorist to explain a lack of evidence for the first conspiracy.

I agree mistake would happen, but this is a huge topic we are are talking about here. It was major news back than.

Anyways philosophy goes by "do anything for the greater good". Evolution theory is viewed as the greater good by a huge number of parties. I can assure you that.

Still there are some scientists who are against evolution.

Too many possibilities here.


Anyways the hoax isn't the strongest reason why I don't believe in evolution. I already explained that.

 

[s2a]

Interesting article. Can you think of other reasons it's easier for us to believe in god than it is for us to accept evolution?

No.

Thanks for asking.

 

[Parsimony]

Anyways the hoax isn't the strongest reason why I don't believe in evolution. I already explained that.

You mean that argument from consequences fallacy (i.e. if evolution is true, then my religious beliefs are false. Since my religious beliefs cannot be false, then evolution must not be true), right?

 

[Sabour]

You mean that argument from consequences fallacy (i.e. if evolution is true, then my religious beliefs are false. Since my religious beliefs cannot be false, then evolution must not be true), right?

It is not in that way though.

There is not God to worship except Allah and Muhammad peace be upon him is his messenger.

55:14 He created man from clay like [that of] pottery.

I know who is at fault here.

This is not blind faith.

I understand why you may differ on that view and how it may sound for people who read it, but this is how strong our belief in Allah is. It is not a blind faith. It is what makes us alive. It is the truth.

I think this isn't the place to discuss that anyways.

 

[Parsimony]

It is not in that way though.

There is not God to worship except Allah and Muhammad peace be upon him is his messenger.

55:14 He created man from clay like [that of] pottery.

I know who is at fault here.

This is not blind faith.

I understand why you may differ on that view and how it may sound for people who read it, but this is how strong our belief in Allah is. It is not a blind faith. It is what makes us alive. It is the truth.

I think this isn't the place to discuss that anyways.

There are Muslims who accept evolution, so it's not an "either-or" thing.