Sex Before Marriage

[nutshell]

First, biologically, we are animals. We are mammals and mammals are animals.

Animals also kill each other, fight for mates, kill young that aren't their own, and pick their butts.

Does that mean we should do these things too and without rules because "biologically, we are animals. We are mammals and mammals are animals?"

Obviously, we are more.

 

[Bishka]

Animals also kill each other, fight for mates, kill young that aren't their own, and pick their butts.

Does that mean we should do these things too and without rules because "biologically, we are animals. We are mammals and mammals are animals?"

Obviously, we are more.

I agree with nutshell on this one.

 

[Draka]

Biologicaly, we are animals. But spiritualy, we are not.

Then biologically we are subject to the same actions, needs, desires, and mating practices of animals.

I do not believe that sex was created for marriage. I believe humans were created to wait until they married to have sex, because man is more than animal.

I do not believe that man is more than animal. All on Earth are "creations" or "children" of the Divine and the spark of life runs through all. So therefore we are no different, have no greater rights or lesser rights than any other species on the planet.

Besides, as far as I know, there is no exact scripture, commandment, or passage that explicitly directs that marriage is a requirement for sexual relations. Not to mention the fact that if you go with the story of Genesis and Adam and Eve and their offspring and so on (which I don't because it makes no sense numerically) how would their be ordained ministers and churches and such in that day? There wouldn't. So I highly doubt everyone then was "married", yet there was an awful lot of "begetting" going on.

 

[Draka]

Animals also kill each other, fight for mates, kill young that aren't their own, and pick their butts.

Does that mean we should do these things too and without rules because "biologically, we are animals. We are mammals and mammals are animals?"

Obviously, we are more.

We kill each other, fight for mates, kill young that aren't our own, and yes, some of us pick our own butts. Those things do not set us apart...they lump us in.

 

[PrisioneroDeDios]

Then biologically we are subject to the same actions, needs, desires, and mating practices of animals.

Spiritualy, we are called to raise above that.

Not to mention the fact that if you go with the story of Genesis and Adam and Eve and their offspring and so on (which I don't because it makes no sense numerically) how would their be ordained ministers and churches and such in that day? There wouldn't. So I highly doubt everyone then was "married", yet there was an awful lot of "begetting" going on.

I believe that there were priests. I believe God married Adam to Eve, and made Adam a priest.

 

[nutshell]

Then biologically we are subject to the same actions, needs, desires, and mating practices of animals.


I do not believe that man is more than animal. All on Earth are "creations" or "children" of the Divine and the spark of life runs through all. So therefore we are no different, have no greater rights or lesser rights than any other species on the planet.

Well, that explains where you're coming from. Since we're all animals, if I ever have a chance to meet you I'll kill your kids and then rape you, hoping to impregnate you so my own genes may continue.

Hope that doesn't offend, but afterall, we're just animals.

Besides, as far as I know, there is no exact scripture, commandment, or passage that explicitly directs that marriage is a requirement for sexual relations.

There are plenty of scriptures outlining sex as being saved for marriage.

Not to mention the fact that if you go with the story of Genesis and Adam and Eve and their offspring and so on (which I don't because it makes no sense numerically) how would their be ordained ministers and churches and such in that day? There wouldn't. So I highly doubt everyone then was "married", yet there was an awful lot of "begetting" going on.

Adam was ordained directly by God and was married to Eve by God Himself.

 

[nutshell]

We kill each other, fight for mates, kill young that aren't our own, and yes, some of us pick our own butts. Those things do not set us apart...they lump us in.

But unlike animals, we have the ability to choose not to do those things.

 

[Draka]

and made Adam a priest.

Could you point out the exact scripture that that was revealed in please?

 

[PrisioneroDeDios]

No. Could you point to the exat scripture where it was reveled that men is an animal, and can act like an animal?

 

[nutshell]

Could you point out the exact scripture that that was revealed in please?

This is from LDS scripture called Doctrine and Covenants, chapter 84

16&nbsp16 And from Enoch to Abel•, who was slain by the conspiracy• of his brother, who received• the priesthood by the commandments of God, by the hand of his father Adam•, who was the first man—

If you want a Biblical example then there is nothing as explicit as this, but it is implied. For example, Abel makes an offering to the Lord. Who makes offerings? Priests. How does a priest get his authority? From his father in a patriarchal society. Who was Abel's father? Adam.

 

[Draka]

Well, that explains where you're coming from. Since we're all animals, if I ever have a chance to meet you I'll kill your kids and then rape you, hoping to impregnate you so my own genes may continue.

Hope that doesn't offend, but afterall, we're just animals.


There are plenty of scriptures outlining sex as being saved for marriage.


Adam was ordained directly by God and was married to Eve by God Himself.

Humans do that sort of thing anyway...that referred to in your first statement that is.

There are scriptures that elude to sex occuring within the confines of marriage...but I have not seen one that EXPLICITLY says (as in a commandment) not to have sex without first having a marriage ceremony.

Where is it stated that Adam was an ordained minister?

But unlike animals, we have the ability to choose not to do those things.

And animals do not choose anything? When given the option to fight an intruder in their backyard a dog may or may not attack. How do you know he isn't "choosing" what to do? Your pet bird sometimes chirps and sometimes doesn't. Why? Not every doe is fought over. Why? Some cats like chicken, some don't. Why? How do you know what it is that goes on within the minds of animals? You don't. Unless you are one. Are you?

 

[Draka]

No. Could you point to the exat scripture where it was reveled that men is an animal, and can act like an animal?

Sure, it's called a science book. More explicitly, a biology or an anatomy and physiology book. Medical books are great for this kind of thing.

edit: I forgot another...psychology. May I direct you to books such as "The Social Animal"?

 

[PrisioneroDeDios]

Sure, it's called a science book. More explicitly, a biology or an anatomy and physiology book. Medical books are great for this kind of thing.

Give me the exact scripture.

 

[nutshell]

Humans do that sort of thing anyway...that referred to in your first statement that is.

But as I've said, we can choose.

There are scriptures that elude to sex occuring within the confines of marriage...but I have not seen one that EXPLICITLY says (as in a commandment) not to have sex without first having a marriage ceremony.

Not all of God's commandments are EXPLICIT, but they are there.

Where is it stated that Adam was an ordained minister?

Read my previous posts.

And animals do not choose anything? When given the option to fight an intruder in their backyard a dog may or may not attack. How do you know he isn't "choosing" what to do? Your pet bird sometimes chirps and sometimes doesn't. Why? Not every doe is fought over. Why? Some cats like chicken, some don't. Why? How do you know what it is that goes on within the minds of animals? You don't. Unless you are one. Are you?

Most of this is biological and if they have any ability to reason it is far below a human's.

 

[Draka]

Give me the exact scripture.

Why? You cannot give me scripture from the very book you base your beliefs on. So why should I quote from a book that means nothing to me? I direct you to scientific fact and behaviour observed from renowned psychologists and all you want is something from one book with no verifiable back-up. Sorry can't help you.

 

[Beautiful Midnight Kisses]

Sex before marriage, eh? That's been flogged to death, by every and any religion, faith or belief.

1) We all have our own opinons on this subject, one is not better then the other. Yours will be better to you, because perhaps you can see something that no one else can see.

2) I don't believe in sex before marriage, now isn't that amazing a teenager who hasn't had sex. Golly gee wiz. Family units have been around as long as men and women have. They would have had to come from somewhere, some belief. I have read a lot of different scriptures and different things on this and I believe that an ultimate Creator made sex for marriage.

3) Just because it isn't written in your 'bible' or book of scripture does not mean it wasn't their in the beginning. Especially the Christian bible. There have been so many errors and mistranslations and omissions and additions to it, whose to know what it was originally.

4) I've seen marriages were the couples have had several partners beforehand and 90% of them aren't happy. Why, because both of them have other sexual partners and because the current spouse doesn't raise up to those so-called standards, they aren't happy. By having multiple sexual partners you are setting yourself up for dissapointment anyways.

5) I think it is a pretty neat and wonderful idea to save something so special for that one person. Think of it, there are many thing you can give this spouse, but you can also give those to other people, you can only give your virginity, your chasitity, your pure self to ONE person, that's it, after that it's gone, shouldn't this be the person you want to spent the rest of your life with.

6) Why should it be in marriage? I think marriage, as I have said, was ordained or put together by some ultimate creator, that creator made marriage and instituted the rules for it.

 

[PrisioneroDeDios]

Why? You cannot give me scripture from the very book you base your beliefs on.

Exactly. Empero you want that I give you one or my beliefs are bad.

 

[nutshell]

Why? You cannot give me scripture from the very book you base your beliefs on. So why should I quote from a book that means nothing to me? I direct you to scientific fact and behaviour observed from renowned psychologists and all you want is something from one book with no verifiable back-up. Sorry can't help you.

"Renowned psychologists?" That's almost an oxymoron. There is a lot of good that comes from this field, but so much of it is nonsense.

And as I posted above, not all the commandments are explicitly layed out. There is some discovery for the reader and if you read with a sincere heart, the truth of the commandment becomes plain. Further, God reveals his word not just through scripture, but through prophets who have been clear on His commandment to refrain from sex until marriage.

It blows me away when people can't recognize the difference between humans and animals.

Draka, if I may ask you a question, if there was a starving puppy and a starving human infant and you could only save one, which would it be and why?

 

[nutshell]

Sex before marriage, eh? That's been flogged to death, by every and any religion, faith or belief.

1) We all have our own opinons on this subject, one is not better then the other. Yours will be better to you, because perhaps you can see something that no one else can see.

2) I don't believe in sex before marriage, now isn't that amazing a teenager who hasn't had sex. Golly gee wiz. Family units have been around as long as men and women have. They would have had to come from somewhere, some belief. I have read a lot of different scriptures and different things on this and I believe that an ultimate Creator made sex for marriage.

3) Just because it isn't written in your 'bible' or book of scripture does not mean it wasn't their in the beginning. Especially the Christian bible. There have been so many errors and mistranslations and omissions and additions to it, whose to know what it was originally.

4) I've seen marriages were the couples have had several partners beforehand and 90% of them aren't happy. Why, because both of them have other sexual partners and because the current spouse doesn't raise up to those so-called standards, they aren't happy. By having multiple sexual partners you are setting yourself up for dissapointment anyways.

5) I think it is a pretty neat and wonderful idea to save something so special for that one person. Think of it, there are many thing you can give this spouse, but you can also give those to other people, you can only give your virginity, your chasitity, your pure self to ONE person, that's it, after that it's gone, shouldn't this be the person you want to spent the rest of your life with.

6) Why should it be in marriage? I think marriage, as I have said, was ordained or put together by some ultimate creator, that creator made marriage and instituted the rules for it.

Bravo! Great post and welcome to the forums.

 

[Draka]

Draka, if I may ask you a question, if there was a starving puppy and a starving human infant and you could only save one, which would it be and why?

If I could definitely save one I would probably go with the human baby, though I would have a hard time not trying to save both. The human baby simply because I identify with it. As any animal, we are more concerned with our own kind than others. However, there are many cases in which one species cares for another in the animal world. Whether it be a mother cat taking in baby bunnies or a mother dog caring for kittens. Love and caring is cross-species and animal kingdom wide as well. So if that is animal-like...I find no offense in being an animal.

As much as I would love to continue with this thread right now, I have to go to work in the morning and my pregnant butt just cannot function without plenty of sleep. So until after work tomorrow...night all.