Sex Before Marriage

[Bishka]

I'd also like to add, I've heard similar statistics in Seminary, Church, Young Women's, Relief Society, School(I attend BYU-Idaho, which is a church-owned school).

If you think they are trying to fill our head with false statistics, get a life and go pick on someone else. The church keeps EXTREMLEY detailed records of things.

 

[Mister_T]

I'm sorry Ashley dear, but I have a bit to say on this. I believe that it is sacred, but Satan(and yes I believe the dude is real) is trying to attack the families because they are the basis of God's plan. He wants to screw over God as much as he can and he is starting(and has been doing ages) with the families.

The family unit has been perverted over time, especially in the last century. I wish all people could feel the sacredness of the family that I feel. I wish you could understand and see why it is so sacred to me.

I believe whole-heartedly that families are sacred and are an essential part to our Heavenly Father's plan, and that is why Satan is attacking them.

Wow. Very nice statement. I couldn't agree more :highfive:

 

[linwood]

You know, I'd tell you what LDS temples ceremonies were all about, but I can't and you can't take my word for it

Others can tell us.

Very interesting tale of an ex mormons wedding day.

More at the link, it`s a quick but informative read.
Enjoy!

"We were pushed out of the sealing room by the sealer in order to avail the room to the next couple already waiting. Cycle time between weddings was about 20 or so minutes, it seemed. We walked down a long hallway to the temple grounds where my parents were waiting. Of course, my mom was crying and not tears of joy. My dad said I looked pretty. I felt horrible. I will never forget that sick feeling in my stomach as long as I live. We got our pictures taken on the steps of the temple, after waiting our turn behind several other couples. It was a wedding factory. We were nothing like the happy couple (one happy couple as opposed to a dozen or more) coming out of the church with crowds of loved ones throwing rice or confetti I had always envisioned."

Temple Wedding

 

[Bishka]

Wow. Very nice statement. I couldn't agree more :highfive:

Thanks, it's nice when someone agrees with me every once in a blue moon.

 

[linwood]

If you think they are trying to fill our head with false statistics, get a life and go pick on someone else. The church keeps EXTREMLEY detailed records of things.

You asked me to post the stats.
I can`t help it if you don`t like them

 

[Pah]

I've heard those statistics other places also. The LDS Church has many statistics, and I believe I've heard that in a couple of General Conferences, so they aren't a fabrication. What do you have against the LDS Church anyways?

I couldn't find those statistics on the web. Do you have a reference?

Thank you. This is what were trying to point out. That the percentage of card-carying temple attending, temple-married Mormons is extremley low. EXTREMLEY LOW. I wonder why that is?

I can only answer as I have before - "...quoting the temple marriage divorces is misleading - it does not reflect Mormon total divorces." That is not to detract from a temple marriage but it is a "best foot forward" that is not accurate for a total picture.

 

[Bishka]

You asked me to post the stats.
I can`t help it if you don`t like them

I don't like false statistics. Try asking the church for statistics, or don't you trust them?

 

[Draka]

Hello again. I went over to my parents' house after work today and got home not to long ago. I brought up this subject of pre-marital sex to them to see what they would say. Both raised in religious homes, mother 56 and father 58, and have been married to each other for over 30 years. Both said they wouldn't marry anyone without first having sex with them. My mom was married before...to a man that she didn't sleep with before marriage. She said that was an awful mistake for her. Anyway, they divorced due to abuse and she later met my father. My mother's opinion is pretty much that of mine...better to know what you are getting yourself into first, make sure the chemistry is there in all facets of a relationship or else there can be a strain that will eat away at the core of the relationship.

I so need to get her on here sometime.

 

[linwood]

I don't like false statistics. Try asking the church for statistics, or don't you trust them?

This from a person who cannot even describe her faiths wedding ceremony.

After a few minutes of research I can see why.

 

[Bishka]

This from a person who cannot even describe her faiths wedding ceremony.

After a few minutes of research I can see why.

Don't even. You are being extremley disrespectful. My faith's wedding ceremony? I can tell you this much, we kneel across the altar from each other in what we call a Sealing room in the temple. The Sealer then proceeds to give us some advice and what it means to be eternally married. He then proceeds with the ceremony, saying something which I can't say, but with this we believe and I believe whole-heartedly that we are married for all time and eternity.

You know why I can't tell you things of the temple?? I covenented with God not too. I promised Him I wouldn't. I guess a promise to something you consider to be non-existent wouldn't mean **** to you. It is extremley sacred to us and wish you be a little mroe DAMN respectful.

 

[nutshell]

Others can tell us.

Very interesting tale of an ex mormons wedding day.

More at the link, it`s a quick but informative read.
Enjoy!

"We were pushed out of the sealing room by the sealer in order to avail the room to the next couple already waiting. Cycle time between weddings was about 20 or so minutes, it seemed. We walked down a long hallway to the temple grounds where my parents were waiting. Of course, my mom was crying and not tears of joy. My dad said I looked pretty. I felt horrible. I will never forget that sick feeling in my stomach as long as I live. We got our pictures taken on the steps of the temple, after waiting our turn behind several other couples. It was a wedding factory. We were nothing like the happy couple (one happy couple as opposed to a dozen or more) coming out of the church with crowds of loved ones throwing rice or confetti I had always envisioned."

Temple Wedding

If that's the exmormon's experience that's unfortunate. I've never seen this situation personally in the temple and I wouldn't be surprised if it was a total fabrication. Oh, and it wouldn't be the only fabrication at exmormon.com.

Give me a break, linwood. You easily dismiss the information we provide with information you find from people who hate our guts? That's credible. I thought you were a better debator than that. Oh, wait...no I didn't. You've proven time and again you only seek to bring others down. I wonder why that is.

 

[Bishka]

I never saw that post. You know Linwood, you don't give a **** about what we believe, all you want to do is tear holes in it and make us feel stupid.

I have absoltuley no respect for you at all, none. You give a bad name to atheists.

 

[Bishka]

I'm going to sleep now, I'm exhausted, but I wish you would give a little more respect for us. We've never done anything to you.

 

[dan]

The stats at Jeff Lindseys are an absolute fabrication.
It`s unfortunately not the first fabrication I`ve found there.

Well, while that's very convincing evidence, nothing you have shared has ever shown an ounce of objectivity or respect, so stick to things you do understand.

 

[dan]

You may have mentioned before, but this thread is on page 34...what do you have against pre-marital cohabitation? I think it has even more benefits than pre-marital sex. My husband and I were living together for a about a year before we got married and I learned a lot about him in that time. I knew exactly what I was getting into...what his habits were, etc. I would say it gave us a much more realistic expectation of what our marriage would be like.

That's great that it worked out for you, but these statistics show that the vast majority of people who do this experience failure in their marriage, so maybe you better not start teaching a clinic on how to have a happy marriage.

 

[Beautiful Midnight Kisses]

Linwood, I am absolutley appalled at you behavior.

1) You have atroucious manners and cannot speak civily, can you? You constantly demean the LDS faith and constantly try to pick apart everything that the members of that church tell you.

They really are not trying to debate, as much as to tell you how they feel and then you go and tell them basically that their opinion is worthless because they cannot give you proof? No opinion is worthless, and you have absoltuley no right in this world or the next to tell them that.

2) If they agreed and made a promise to their God to keeps certain things that they believe sacred, please let them be. Beckysoup61 and Nutshell obviously have great dedication to their religion and to the promised they have made to their God, you should respect that even if you do not believe the same as them.

3) They have never shot your atheistic beleifs down. Yes, they don't believe the same as you, but that gives you no right to act the way you do.

4) I thought most athetists were kind, caring, and didn't act as immature and childish as you have. Grow up will ya?

5) Nutshell, I commend you on your integrity and you beliefs. I think that it is wonderful that you intend to keep this promise that you made to your God and I think it is amazing that you think, and want to keep marriage and sex sacred. Kudos to you man! I wish others would respect you as much as you deserve.

-BMK

 

[mingmty]

This is becoming a little too personal, I say we should cool down. Look, I understand your belifs are sacred to you but you must agree that to believe what you do one must blindly trust the Mormon priests. That's my problem with now days religion, all of them want you to just believe and shut up, intelligence is not appreciated. I like to believe what I can see, what I can hear, what I can smell, the sacred is everywhere and anywhere, not confined to human buildings such temples.

If you can forget what has been forced upon you and close your eyes there it is, the sacred, God, peace, whatever you call it, is life itself, is in the smile of you girlfriend just after having sex, in the dawn of a day and the fall of the rain, is in death and birth, is nature, is being alive. We are free: gods, temples, mandats, rules of commitment, ceremonies, all are human made and forced upon us since our birth, and yet the sacred is there in the untouched land, where human hasn't corrupted the meaning of life.

Now I'm preaching hahahaha better not let my fellow engineers read this but as I said earlier I will never let someone tell me what's God and what's not, how should I be and what should I believe to be happy, happiness is there waiting for me and I know exactly how to get it, "god", "the sacred", "the divine", is there every time I smile and are smiled, don't need myths, ceremonies, and complex belief systems based on ridiculous stories about sacrifice, death and demons.

This is only my opinion, is a shame that you can't share yours. But I deeply believe the sacred is not the hidden truth of a few, we all share it.

 

[dan]

[font=trebuchet ms,arial,helvetica]It`s also a fact that people who marry at a young age are far more likely than those who marry later in life to divorce.
This is because when you are older you understand yourself more and understanding a partner comes easier.
Compromise is easier, communication is of a higher quality, and an understanding of how the world works makes everything easier.

People who wait for marriage to have sex tend to marry young because who wants to be a virgin at 30?
These marriages don`t generally last.[/font]

Wanna hear another fact that your selective prejudice failed to pick up? Most teen marriages begin with pregnancy. 80% of children born to teen mothers were pregnancies that ocurred before marriage.

Maybe your understanding of how the world works needs a little tweaking.

 

[Bishka]

This is becoming a little too personal, I say we should cool down. Look, I understand your belifs are sacred to you but you must agree that to believe what you do one must blindly trust the Mormon priests. That's my problem with now days religion, all of them want you to just believe and shut up, intelligence is not appreciated. I like to believe what I can see, what I can hear, what I can smell, the sacred is everywhere and anywhere, not confined to human buildings such temples.

If you can forget what has been forced upon you and close your eyes there it is, the sacred, God, peace, whatever you call it, is life itself, is in the smile of you girlfriend just after having sex, in the dawn of a day and the fall of the rain, is in death and birth, is nature, is being alive. We are free: gods, temples, mandats, rules of commitment, ceremonies, all are human made and forced upon us since our birth, and yet the sacred is there in the untouched land, where human hasn't corrupted the meaning of life.

Now I'm preaching hahahaha better not let my fellow engineers read this but as I said earlier I will never let someone tell me what's God and what's not, how should I be and what should I believe to be happy, happiness is there waiting for me and I know exactly how to get it, "god", "the sacred", "the divine", is there every time I smile and are smiled, don't need myths, ceremonies, and complex belief systems based on ridiculous stories about sacrifice, death and demons.

This is only my opinion, is a shame that you can't share yours. But I deeply believe the sacred is not the hidden truth of a few, we all share it.

Blindly following mormon preists? Bull****. Seriously. i don't blindly follow nobody. I ask my God for myself if it is true and usually I get an answer. I wish you could see and feel how we do, but since that will never happen, please do not call our belief system ridiculous, or try to demean our sacred things.

 

[mingmty]

Blindly following mormon preists? Bull****. Seriously. i don't blindly follow nobody. I ask my God for myself if it is true and usually I get an answer. I wish you could see and feel how we do, but since that will never happen, please do not call our belief system ridiculous, or try to demean our sacred things.

Fair enough, i get overexcited I don't share your belifs but respect your commitment to them, I bet you are a good person