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Sex/Gender

We Never Know

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So you think.
Actually its does if your read my previous posts and links. Like this one with the two cows for example....This should never be labeled as homosexual behavior.


And for this picture... Here's an explanation.

"Since cow-cow mounting is an accurate sign that the time is right for taking the cow being mounted (“mountee”) to be bred, and that estrus is imminent in most mounting cows (“mounters”), selection for this behavior was probably coincidental."


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As you can clearly see in that picture sexual intercourse is 100% impossible.
 
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Kfox

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I could be wrong but the article says "It has emerged as a continuum or spectrum"

Rather like the electromagnetic spectrum has labels such as infrared, ultraviolet and gamma rays.
My understanding of Spectrum is when you have 2 extremes and everything in between; with the focus on everything in between. All you provided were a list of (so called) genders; no extremes or anything in between listed.
 

Kfox

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Gee I don't know...

Lets look at what gender spectrum refers to and see if you can figure it out...

“The Gender Spectrum” refers to the idea that there are many gender identities other than identifying as a man or a woman."

It seems to me; In order to identify as a man, a woman, or something else, you have to have a complete understanding of what it means to be a man, a woman, or something else. If what constitutes male, or female varies from person to person, the term becomes meaningless. Do you believe there are agreed upon traits on what constitutes male vs female? If so, what are they?
 

Kfox

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Not exactly ...



(By the way, we're part of the "animal kingdom.")
Male animals that behave like female animals do not become female animals, they're just male animals behaving the way female animals usually behave.
I don't think anyone is "insisting you believe" anything at all. We're just asking you to treat other human beings with dignity and respect.
No; there are a lot of people who are insisting everybody else pretend they are who they say they are. If I were a 30 year old man, but I identified as a 12 year old child, you can treat me with dignity and respect without pretending I am a 12 year old child.
 

Kfox

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I can.

Think of Dwayne "The Rock" Johnson.
Now think of Rupaul.
Now think of Timothy Chalomet.
Now think of Mike Tyson.
Now think of Elton John.

Are you getting it?
I don't agree. Big muscles do not make you a man any more than small muscles make you a woman. Elton John is just as much of a man as Mike Tyson. What you seem to be describing are a spectrum when it comes to masculinity.
 

ADigitalArtist

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True! These Abnormality happens with all mammals; and there is no they/them in the animal kingdom, they are all male/female; binary.

Yes! Why do they keep bringing it up? The way I see it; if you wanna believe a man can be a woman, and a woman can be a man, that’s fine; believe what you wanna believe. But if you gonna insist I believe it? That’s different.
This just pointedly isn't true. There are also intersex mammals and despite your insistence that any y chromosome makes them male, no actual biologist subscribes to that reductionism. Intersex is considered a third sex category, on a spectrum between male and female. Sex is, in fact, non binary.

You can not believe that if you want but you also will be told you're wrong if you insist it's somehow unscientific to use third sex categorization or differentiate sex and gender. The scientific consensus has long been against what you have personally declared to be true.
 

Kfox

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This just pointedly isn't true. There are also intersex mammals and despite your insistence that any y chromosome makes them male,
The fact that there are intersex mammals does not refute my claim that Y sex Chromosome make them male
no actual biologist subscribes to that reductionism.
This link provides some that do.
Intersex is considered a third sex category, on a spectrum between male and female.
If that were true, it would not be an umbrella term representing multiple syndromes. And why are we talking about intersex? It’s not like gender dysphoria is the result of a bunch of intersex people, they are normal biological males and females with normal sex chromosomes and normal body parts; claiming to be opposite of their biology. And the worse part is; when pressed they don’t seem to be able to give a straight answer concerning the differences between a man vs woman. But even if intersex were considered a 3rd sex category; that 3 isn't enough to call it a spectrum.
 
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Kfox

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You wouldn't apply your "its abnormal" reasoning if you were to see me. It's a very visible mutation as well, but you wouldn't refer to me as anything else but what this rare phenotype of this mutation usually gets called. No one even thinks of it as a mutation. There is no "well, but..."
Do you consider it normal for people to be born with your type of mutation?
 

Valjean

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Kenny's point is valid. Some animals eat their young so no one could oppose it if a human are their offspring.
That doesn't follow. Behaviors that benefit a particular species don't necessarily contribute the the fitness of other species.
But we do share a great deal of anatomic. physiological and psychological features, including a percentage of the population that's homosexual.
 

Valjean

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Male animals that behave like female animals do not become female animals, they're just male animals behaving the way female animals usually behave.
Male/female anatomical sex, or gender identity? Two different things.
No; there are a lot of people who are insisting everybody else pretend they are who they say they are. If I were a 30 year old man, but I identified as a 12 year old child, you can treat me with dignity and respect without pretending I am a 12 year old child.
Some things are definitively different, others, like sexual orientation, don't have clearly identifiable markers. Psychological preferences like gender identification don't yet have identifiable neural markers. We rely on the individual historians' claims.
 

ADigitalArtist

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The fact that there are intersex mammals does not refute my claim that Y sex Chromosome make them male
No, the fact that intersex mammals including humans are not considered either male or female refutes that y chromosomes make them male.
This link provides some that do.
No it doesn't. In fact, it says the opposite as it talks about xx male and xy female, because sex typing is done sometimes based on gonads, sometimes based on y, sometimes based on sry depending on the situation. And in intersex conditions that doesn't fit type it isn't considered part of the binary sex dynamic. A female gonadal chimera with some XY and some XX is not considered male by any metric. And neither is someone with an SRY on the XX necessarily female even though that often means male gonads without a y chromosome. It's just simply not as simple as you want it to be.

If that were true, it would not be an umbrella term representing multiple syndromes. And why are we talking about intersex? It’s not like gender dysphoria is the result of a bunch of intersex people, they are normal biological males and females with normal sex chromosomes and normal body parts; claiming to be opposite of their biology. And the worse part is; when pressed they don’t seem to be able to give a straight answer concerning the differences between a man vs woman.
Because the thread is about both sex and gender, both of which are oversimplified by lay individuals especially and neither of which are strict binaries.
 

Kenny

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That doesn't follow. Behaviors that benefit a particular species don't necessarily contribute the the fitness of other species.
But we do share a great deal of anatomic. physiological and psychological features, including a percentage of the population that's homosexual.

I find this statement confusing. Is behavior psychological? Why is cannibalism behavioral and not psychological if they are different?
 

Ignatius A

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That doesn't follow. Behaviors that benefit a particular species don't necessarily contribute the the fitness of other species.
But we do share a great deal of anatomic. physiological and psychological features, including a percentage of the population that's homosexual.
Right but people focus on some behaviors of other species when it serves their narrative but disregard the same logic when they don't like it. Any appeal to the behavior of other species as being applicable not humans is more than illogical it's pure nonsense
 
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