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Sex Offender Registry Found Unconstitutional

idav

Being
Premium Member
I always extrapolate to the most extreme scenario to simplify and cut to the chase.
Ya all better figure out how you will manage in a society that permits consensual sex between adults and minors. Ya all go figure out how that's gonna work and don't bother getting back to me on it.
Don't call a suicide prevention hotline for me either.
You do realize that "sex offender" covers a whole range of "sex" crimes don't you? Wow no wonder we need to do away with this, you get on the registry and people automatically think child sex crimes. The registries list specifics of crimes which could even be some guy or gal deciding to urinate in public.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
So then the public records of all courthouses in the USA will have to be relooked at, right?
and the inmate listings,
and the local jail listings...

One wonders what impact this will have on the America Most Wanted lists....?
The wanted lists serve a far more useful purpose,
& they're temporary.
 

columbus

yawn <ignore> yawn
Fair enough.

But what of the public records in courthouses?
Inmate and jail listings?
I am not fond of those either. All they are is grist for the gossip mill.

Unfortunately, my small town local newspaper still publishes "court news". I find that gross.
Tom
 

Regolith Based Lifeforms

Early Earth Was Not Sterile
Wow.
No one has even implied that the register being unconstitutional would make pedophilia legal.
That is one huge leap off the deep end.
Ok, that was kind of fun.
I did say i extrapolate to the most extreme possible situation from where we were.
I know about the registries and i know some of those poor folks are practically innocent.
I actually found two real cases of child sexual abuse pretty close by and have seen both in person. out at the stores near by. I've also been able to check up on 'something' periodically and that has made me feel more secure. I don't know what we would do without them for the valuable information they can provide.

There may have been at one time a constitutional issue with it, but internet neutrality got around that. Once that genie was let out of the bottle no one was putting him back in the bottle. Now what do we do? No one is going to rule those websites out with any new laws any time soon, but IF there were a sudden and large enough movement to really reverse what has already been happening for years now, THEN we might need to consider how this COULD create a more permissive and passive environment and response to childhood sexual abuse. The slippery slope....

I'm not worried about the future anymore, i'm worried for just here and now. Things have already changed and no one is saying anything at all about it.

Pedophilia will never be legal, but if it isn't reported, then we have a very different scenario to somehow deal with.
I've seen something really disturbing and instead of running for my life, i decided to examine it to see if i could learn anything from it. I'm kinda messed up now and really bummed out about it.
I thought there was something more to life and there sort of is, but apparently not if you're an atheist. I KNOW there's no guy God in a white robe. I know what most of human history has really been like for women and children and there has been no protection for them at all. Especially the children. What i have read lately has pretty much finished me off and some of it was even Charles Darwin from 150 years ago. Why should i assume anything is all that different now in many places? I won't describe what i've read and seen or post any links. I just wanted to get a good close look at what seems to be the one single largest driving force for most of human activity and endeavor. I found actually two running neck and neck and hand in hand. Sexuality and Narcissism.
Yuck and "Oh HELL No!"
I just don't like sex all that much and narcissism makes me suicidal if not psychotic.
I've never hated or felt such disgust and hatred for anything as i have for narcissists and i'm one the narcissists need to be afraid of because i am actively seeking secret and invisible ways to destroy them whenever possible.
Sound ultra harsh and a little psychotic? I own it, yes i even do to myself right now.

I've been to see the side of life we don't see from our comfy computer chairs and nice cars, clean neighborhoods and the certainty that we live in a nation ruled over by laws passed by and for the people and the public good. I went over into the 'reflection in the mirror' and found out none of that is there. I also found out that "mirror" is often only feet away, sometimes just inches or even less where ever i go in town. This town is very similar to where i encountered the other side, but distant in miles from there, won't say where. The "mirror' is somewhat further way most of the time if i'm in some ritzy town with lots of golf courses, fancy restaurants and good strong city policing.along with good schools and healthcare, especially psychiatry. When municipalities invest in the mental health services of the community everyone does a lot better, it seems. The mirror is far enough away to almost ignore for most people, but i still see the people from the other side very clearly as if i'm still there and i KNOW to be afraid of them now.
Most unfortunate.
One of the questions i had about them needed a good strong definitive answer: Is there and has there been an unusually high incidence of childhood sexual abuse occurring here?
Yes, to the point of needing to find a completely new way of looking at the problem before any real and truly effective solutions will be found.
If we are going to address this effectively we need to ask the questions:
Where does it really originate in our species and how has it evolved over time?
How does sexual abuse of the young fit into chimp, bonobo and gorilla behaviors?
What evidence do we have for sexual relations in our distant ancestors in archaeological sites and remains?
What does this evidence show, if any exists?
Questions that should be answered by compassionately and fearlessly using the scientific method to answer.
I'm not so against the pedophile guys as i might have sounded at first as they seem almost helpless to resist their urges as someone who is sick or in any other way crippled and suffering. It's all just a mess and our megamedia keeps selling the sexual desire poison to all to us while at the same time forbidding us to partake.
Doesn't look like anything is going to improve anytime soon.
 

Skwim

Veteran Member
I'd be interested in seeing the two amendments the judge found the posting of sex offender information to violate.

As it stands, I can see the possibility that the postings of lists of registered sex offenders to be a violation of the U.S. Constitution because they give the public the “power to inflict punishments beyond those imposed through the court.”

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Curious George

Veteran Member
In some states you could be classified as a sex offender if you are 18 and caught having consensual sex with your 17 year-old girlfriend the night before she turns 18. Although I have no love for true sex offenders, I do believe there is some gray area.
Well technically one would be 18 a day before their birthday. Next, while the age of consent is 18 there is usually a second age of consent. Most states it is 16 and two years age difference. So 16 ok with 18 and 17 ok with 19. This does very state to state but I do not think there is a hard 18 in any state, let alone some states. So, a year difference would not be a crime if the minor was 17 and the their partner 18. However, if the 17 year old sent a suggestive photo, the 18 year old could be convicted for posession of child pornography if the 18 year old sent a pic they could be in convicted for child endangerment or potentially a sex abuse crime. Now that would be a real misuse of the law. They can have sex but they better not send any pics.
 

Regolith Based Lifeforms

Early Earth Was Not Sterile
You do realize that "sex offender" covers a whole range of "sex" crimes don't you? Wow no wonder we need to do away with this, you get on the registry and people automatically think child sex crimes. The registries list specifics of crimes which could even be some guy or gal deciding to urinate in public.
Just see my post above. My sarcasm is worse than my bite.
 

Regolith Based Lifeforms

Early Earth Was Not Sterile
Well technically one would be 18 a day before their birthday. Next, while the age of consent is 18 there is usually a second age of consent. Most states it is 16 and two years age difference. So 16 ok with 18 and 17 ok with 19. This does very state to state but I do not think there is a hard 18 in any state, let alone some states. So, a year difference would not be a crime if the minor was 17 and the their partner 18. However, if the 17 year old sent a suggestive photo, the 18 year old could be convicted for posession of child pornography if the 18 year old sent a pic they could be in convicted for child endangerment or potentially a sex abuse crime. Now that would be a real misuse of the law. They can have sex but they better not send any pics.
Yep, they can have sex.
I believe the motto is "Don't get caught".
Thus, don't send pics.
 

Curious George

Veteran Member
In some states you could be classified as a sex offender if you are 18 and caught having consensual sex with your 17 year-old girlfriend the night before she turns 18. Although I have no love for true sex offenders, I do believe there is some gray area.
Nevermind apparently there are several states without close in age exceptions.

However, it is often still an acceptable defense without the close in age exemption. This essentially affords one.
 
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Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
Except they do.
At least here in Indiana
In fact, the public court records, unless it is a minor, have name, address, and even telephone number.
For all those convicted of a crime for their entire lives?
Well, that does it.....I'm not moving to Indiana....no matter how much you & @Shadow Wolf praise it.
 

McBell

Unbound
Except they do.
At least here in Indiana

In fact, the public court records, unless it is a minor, have name, address, and even telephone number.
I would like to clarify....
The minors information is not available.
If it is an offense against a minor by an adult or vice versa, the adults information is provided
 

BSM1

What? Me worry?
Well technically one would be 18 a day before their birthday. Next, while the age of consent is 18 there is usually a second age of consent. Most states it is 16 and two years age difference. So 16 ok with 18 and 17 ok with 19. This does very state to state but I do not think there is a hard 18 in any state, let alone some states. So, a year difference would not be a crime if the minor was 17 and the their partner 18. However, if the 17 year old sent a suggestive photo, the 18 year old could be convicted for posession of child pornography if the 18 year old sent a pic they could be in convicted for child endangerment or potentially a sex abuse crime. Now that would be a real misuse of the law. They can have sex but they better not send any pics.

Point taken.
 
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