Sexuality and Choice...

[madhatter85]

What is it exactly (specifically) that homosexual couple's don't equally contribute to society?

Because of their lifestyle choices, It requires special resources for them to have and maintain families. This is not a contribution to society, but a drain.

Before you start hollering about sterile couples again, I will remind you that sterility is not behavioral and thus cannot be compared.

 

[Mr Cheese]

I know it's kinda off topic but I contemplated it last night and came to the following conclusion:
I believe the real reason law makers are dragging their feet on this subject is because it's like dangling a carrot in front of the horse. If you give the horse a carrot he is either:

A) going to stop following you, or
B) want more carrots.

I think it's the same for most political stances.

thats right

we allowed women to vote
black people to vote
chinese people to be considered humans

same tired bigoted argument...

"If we allowed for same sex marriages, what next, people would want to..." and generally the response has been want to marry their pets... signifying homosexuals arent human....

same thuing really....

Law makers are draggign their heals due to bigots with guns...
that's the bottom line

 

[madhatter85]

Yet there are, heterosexuals get rights denied to non heterosexuals...

because of how they desire to behave...

:foot:

#1) You are confusing rights with privileges
#2) There are people who behave abnormally and are denied privileges because of that regardless of sexual orientation. It is absolutely no different.

 

[Mr Cheese]

my excerpt from the CIA factbook actually mentions western Europe specifically

Yes, over population is going to effect non european countries mainly
which is why your post about overpopulation being a myth...is pure garbage

but there, half a story is half a story....

let the non europeans die....:help:

 

[madhatter85]

we allowed women to vote
black people to vote
chinese people to be considered humans

being female is not behavioral, it is anatomical/biological
being black is not behavioral, it is biological/ethnic
being Chnese is not behavioral, it is biological/ethnic

All 3 of your arguments fail.

 

[madhatter85]

Yes, over population is going to effect non european countries mainly
which is why your post about overpopulation being a myth...is pure garbage

but there, half a story is half a story....

let the non europeans die....:help:

So by implication you are claiming the CIA World Fact-book is garbage? I cited my sources, did you even look at it?

 

[madhatter85]

I think that some of the posters on this thread might like to share their thoughts on this thread

http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/general-religious-debates/88100-worth-relationship.html

I have asked why people see differences in a variety of relationships, based on whether they can give birth or not, because I don't understand the explanations currently given here and I do not want to derail this thread asking for said explanation.

You are incorrectly lumping together sterility and homosexual behavior.
Sterility is not behavioral

 

[Kerr]

Because of their lifestyle choices, It requires special resources for them to have and maintain families. This is not a contribution to society, but a drain.

Exactly what lifestyle choices and what kind of special resources are you talking about?

Before you start hollering about sterile couples again, I will remind you that sterility is not behavioral and thus cannot be compared.

Homosexuality is sexual attraction to the same sex, you can spend your entire life sleeping with people of the opposite sex but you can still be homosexual.

 

[Kerr]

being female is not behavioral, it is anatomical/biological
being black is not behavioral, it is biological/ethnic
being Chnese is not behavioral, it is biological/ethnic

All 3 of your arguments fail.

In this context it is irrelevant if it is behavioral anyway.

 

[Mr Cheese]

Because of their lifestyle choices, It requires special resources for them to have and maintain families. This is not a contribution to society, but a drain.

Before you start hollering about sterile couples again, I will remind you that sterility is not behavioral and thus cannot be compared.

Uh a drain?

How are same sex couples a drain???? What special resources?

Special resources because they may not have a penis or a womb?

Oh puhlease......what on earth do you mean

I would argue uneducated morons breeding en mass intentionally or by "accident" as they were too stupid to wear a condom is far more of a drain....

lesbians everwhere.... because you don't have a penis, you are a drain on society
:areyoucra uh huh

 

[madhatter85]

Exactly what lifestyle choices and what kind of special resources are you talking about?

1) homosexual behavior,
2) In Vitro fertilization, surrogate mothers, or adoption.

Homosexuality is sexual attraction to the same sex, you can spend your entire life sleeping with people of the opposite sex but you can still be homosexual.

The problem is that instead of branding it as the abnormal condition it is you attempt to brand it as normal or as something that cannot be controlled when, in fact, it can.

 

[Mr Cheese]

being female is not behavioral, it is anatomical/biological
being black is not behavioral, it is biological/ethnic
being Chnese is not behavioral, it is biological/ethnic

All 3 of your arguments fail.

um the issue is about RIGHTS....

you are advocating DENIAL OF RIGHTS

the simple fact is marriage not only allows people to show commitment to each other, it also includes a whole gamut and package of rights in the USA, the simple fact is, married people have it better (legally) in many ways....

But you are too fixated on genitalia to see that

 

[madhatter85]

In this context it is irrelevant if it is behavioral anyway.

It is entirely relevant as we are not required to support abnormal behavior that does not wholly contribute to society.

 

[Kerr]

1) homosexual behavior,

Which is not a lifestyle, it is having sex with people of the same sex...

2) In Vitro fertilization, surrogate mothers, or adoption.

Lol, there are plenty of hetrosexuals who does that.

 

[Mr Cheese]

So by implication you are claiming the CIA World Fact-book is garbage? I cited my sources, did you even look at it?

You stated the idea of overpopulation being a myth

I proposed the stated argument is incomplete as it only includes europe (and presuably other aging populations such as Japan and USA, yes USA, USA only astops being an aging populace by influx of immigrants, so much for the build a wall against the mexicans idea...even though many are returnign home now, as the dollar is rather weak...lol)....

the simple fact is global overpiopulations are goign to effect the countries that really are in trouble now, the developing nations, not the developed.

We have enough food for everyone, right now. But people starve, why? because greedy people dont share unless there's a buck in it for them. Instead they promote selling technology (like genetically modified crops) that of course make more profits for those that are already sitting pretty

But of course, being a christian has nothing to do with caring about others, right?

 

[madhatter85]

um the issue is about RIGHTS....

you are advocating DENIAL OF RIGHTS


the simple fact is marriage not only allows people to show commitment to each other, it also includes a whole gamut and package of rights in the USA, the simple fact is, married people have it better (legally) in many ways....

But you are too fixated on genitalia to see that

They are free to marry any member of the opposite sex they choose, just like heterosexual couples. There are no privileges lost, they just don't get the same privileges because they wish to behave in a way that is contrary to why the extra privileges of marriage were given in the first place.

There are only 3 innate human rights; life, liberty and security of person.

 

[Kerr]

It is entirely relevant as we are not required to support abnormal behavior that does not wholly contribute to society.

Only thing is that it does not damage the society nearly as much as the alternative, namely intolerance against what is different. Homophobia in this case. And does it matter if it is abnomal at all? I mean, if suddenly 99% of all hetrosexual men would become rapists, not being a rapist would be abnormal, still it would be the rapists that would have to be dealt with.

 

[Mr Cheese]

1) homosexual behavior,
2) In Vitro fertilization, surrogate mothers, or adoption.



.

hmmm homosexual behaviour?

you mean loving another homosapien, or are you once again fixated on genitals?

IV fertilisation? Hmmm yep hetwero couples never do this either....

These are drains on society according to you?

 

[madhatter85]

You stated the idea of overpopulation being a myth

How about if i quote to you the entirety of the CIA statements.
https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/rankorder/2127rank.html

This entry gives a figure for the average number of children that would be born per woman if all women lived to the end of their childbearing years and bore children according to a given fertility rate at each age. The total fertility rate (TFR) is a more direct measure of the level of fertility than the crude birth rate, since it refers to births per woman. This indicator shows the potential for population change in the country. A rate of two children per woman is considered the replacement rate for a population, resulting in relative stability in terms of total numbers. Rates above two children indicate populations growing in size and whose median age is declining. Higher rates may also indicate difficulties for families, in some situations, to feed and educate their children and for women to enter the labor force. Rates below two children indicate populations decreasing in size and growing older. Global fertility rates are in general decline and this trend is most pronounced in industrialized countries, especially Western Europe, where populations are projected to decline dramatically over the next 50 years.

I don't care what your proposal is, the CIA World Fact-book trumps your ridiculous ideas.

 

[Mr Cheese]

They are free to marry any member of the opposite sex they choose, just like heterosexual couples. There are no privileges lost, they just don't get the same privileges because they wish to behave in a way that is contrary to why the extra privileges of marriage were given in the first place.

There are only 3 innate human rights; life, liberty and security of person.

so if two commited SAME sex couple want ot marry its tough baloney burgers...?

Same sex couples are denied basic human rights such as hospital visits and recognition after a partner dies.... not to mention tax benefits....

But really I am sure you are totally ignorant on these matters