LittleNipper
Well-Known Member
Such "stigma" is only the invention of a sick society and not a sober one. And such values certainly don't sound like unadulterated love.
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Sexuality and Choice...
- Thread starter rojse
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Such "stigma" is only the invention of a sick society and not a sober one. And such values certainly don't sound like unadulterated love.
Zorro1227
Active Member
What is so sick about making love without the intention of procreation?
Daemon Sophic
Avatar in flux
Do you read the paper? news web sites?, listen to the radio? or watch TV?
Badda BING! --> http://www.thetaskforce.org/TF_in_news/07_0222/stories/17_reuters_evangeliststherapy.pdf
Are you suggesting that if someone were to grow into self-awareness, and find that they are gay. Then they should....what?.....repress their feelings and desires and simply lead a life of miserable frustration?
:areyoucraIsn't that what 'father' Haggard did?
Wow! I pity your spouse (or future spouse). :cover:
:biglaugh::jester3::biglaugh:
Kid. You REALLY need to get out more. :yes:P.S. - I think that Sandy Whitelinger was just going for the laugh.
LittleNipper
Well-Known Member
Nothing is wrong with that unless:
1) The couple isn't married.
2) The couple is of the same sex.
LittleNipper
Well-Known Member
Do you read the paper? news web sites?, listen to the radio? or watch TV?
Badda BING! --> http://www.thetaskforce.org/TF_in_news/07_0222/stories/17_reuters_evangeliststherapy.pdf
Are you suggesting that if someone were to grow into self-awareness, and find that they are gay. Then they should....what?.....repress their feelings and desires and simply lead a life of miserable frustration?
Isn't that what 'father' Haggard did?
Wow! I pity your spouse (or future spouse). :cover:
:biglaugh::jester3::biglaugh:
P.S. - I think that Sandy Whitelinger was just going for the laugh.
Why, we love children. I'd like as many as GOD will send.
Autodidact
Intentionally Blank
Would you please present your defense of this "morality?" Thanks. Try not to use you religious beliefs, which apply only to you and those who share them.
Autodidact
Intentionally Blank
Because you think that sex is only for reproduction or lust. That's really sad for your wife, if any.
LittleNipper
Well-Known Member
Fornacation doesn't usually lead to marriage. It is the biggest spreader of dangerous diseases that cause sterility & can lead to cancer.
Same sex relationship is about anything but procreation.
Autodidact
Intentionally Blank
I'm sorry, I thought you had something to say about homosexuality.
Yup. Was there a point at all?
Autodidact
Intentionally Blank
I'll take it further. Gay love is a form of love. You're either for love or against it. Sadly, Little Nipper and his ilk, James Dobson, Fred Phelps and the late Jerry Falwell, are against it. That's why, more than anything else, I feel compassion for him.
Zorro1227
Active Member
This is of course according to you my dear.
I believe that is a false dichotomy...
Herr Heinrich
Student of Mythology
According to you. A lot of people believe both of these things are ok. :banghead3ROWR!!! You irk me beyond reason! You have no right to say that either of those things is wrong. You are a human like the rest of us. Also I fall in the first category. Does that mean my fiance and I are going to hell. How about my nine month old child? Is he the spawn of an unholy union!?
TheKnight
Guardian of Life
Do you read the paper? news web sites?, listen to the radio? or watch TV?
Badda BING! --> http://www.thetaskforce.org/TF_in_news/07_0222/stories/17_reuters_evangeliststherapy.pdf
Are you suggesting that if someone were to grow into self-awareness, and find that they are gay. Then they should....what?.....repress their feelings and desires and simply lead a life of miserable frustration?
Isn't that what 'father' Haggard did?
1. Hmm...It shocks me that people believe it is a choice. One can remain against homosexuality and see it as not being a choice.
2. People control their desires and feelings all the time. Unlike you, I see homosexuals as competent human beings that are FULLY capable of controlling their desires and refraining from participation in homosexual activity. Guess what, living a life where you don't do every little thing your body wants isn't a life of miserable frustration. It's a life where you're not a slave to your body.
3. Haggard went through a botched therapy process. I'm sure that with the appropriate therapy, he could have changed his sexual orientation.
blackout
Violet.
You are really out of touch with humanity, never mind sexuality.
You think sex is about doing every little thing your body wants?!?
This is about living a shared life of fulfilled love and adult companionship.
Why the hell should people give up a shared life of fulfilled love and adult companionship because ... well.... you say they should. :sarcastic
Don't you understand that homosexuals LOVE each other?
Just like heterosexuals do.
And yet you expect them to live in pain of unfulfilled adult love & passion?!
This is nothing but cruelty and inhumanity.
Daemon Sophic
Avatar in flux
Thank you UltraViolet. I could not have responded better to TheKnight's #2 statement. :bow:
As for #3, .... homosexuality is not a disease, or condition that requires "Therapy", it is an integral part of who an individual is: their biology and their persona. I strongly disagree with your final statement "...with the appropriated therapy, he could have changed his sexual orientation." :no:
I'm sure that he is now a little more trained at hiding/repressing his homosexual nature, but he is still homosexual....and always will be.
TheKnight; I will suppose here that you are heterosexual.
1. Do you think that talking things over with a homosexual counsellor, watching some motivational videos, and a little shock 'therapy' could ever make you gay?
2. Do you think that it would be appropriate for a moral and decent society of gay people to inflict this 'therapy' upon you?
3. Do you believe it right for members of a religion whose sole premise is to be kind, forgiving, and loving to all other beings, to inflict such 'therapy' upon an individual?
As for #3, ....
homosexuality is not a disease, or condition that requires "Therapy", it is an integral part of who an individual is: their biology and their persona. I strongly disagree with your final statement "...with the appropriated therapy, he could have changed his sexual orientation." :no:I'm sure that he is now a little more trained at hiding/repressing his homosexual nature, but he is still homosexual....and always will be.
TheKnight; I will suppose here that you are heterosexual.
1. Do you think that talking things over with a homosexual counsellor, watching some motivational videos, and a little shock 'therapy' could ever make you gay?
2. Do you think that it would be appropriate for a moral and decent society of gay people to inflict this 'therapy' upon you?
3. Do you believe it right for members of a religion whose sole premise is to be kind, forgiving, and loving to all other beings, to inflict such 'therapy' upon an individual?
ThereIsNoSpoon
Active Member
Any evidence for that ?
Well .... i guess then something must be wrong with me. You know despite me having three kids i think I had more than three times sex in my years of marriage.
Scott C.
Just one guy
Regardless of what you believe or what the truth is concerning the source or nature of one's sexual attraction, does anyone believe that sexual behavior is anything other than a choice.?
rojse
RF Addict
Should there be a difference between sexual attraction and sexual behaviour when this attraction is merely towards consenting adult members of the same gender? Why?