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Seymour Hersh says who took out the Nordstream Pipeline

Estro Felino

Believer in free will
Premium Member
This is somewhat at odds with your prior posts that are pro-Putin.
But you have still taken a side against Ukraine because of your
views of Zelensky for not negotiating, ie, capitulating.

Berlusconi too said he should order a cease-fire because we are sick and tired of giving Soros' baby warfare.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
Of course I blame USA and its lacky Nato members, and I blame Russia, I can find fault with Ukraine as well.
Exactly.
But I don't think this should lead you to see
Ukraine's self defense as unsupportable.
That is effectively siding with the invasion.
 

Estro Felino

Believer in free will
Premium Member
Zelensky should order a cease-fire?
Putin must love you Italians.

In Italy there are both Ukrainians and Russians.
We don't see the difference, they are the same people.
We don't think Ukrainians = good and Russians = bad.
We think Putin and Zelensky should negotiate so this hideous war terminates.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
In Italy there are both Ukrainians and Russians.
We don't see the difference, they are the same people.
We don't think Ukrainians = good and Russians = bad.
We think Putin and Zelensky should negotiate so this hideous war terminates.
Putin doesn't seem in the mood to be
reasonable, ie, stop invading Ukraine.
 

Heyo

Veteran Member
It's a testy relationship, but beware belief
that Russia is as good a friend. Frankly,
I'd rather pull our military out of Europe.
You guys can fend for yourselves....I hope.
It would be nice but it won't happen. US troops love Germany. When Trump ordered them to go, they didn't even consider that a serious suggestion, let alone an order.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
It's been a long time ago, almost 3 years now, memory gets weak with age. Here's the refresher:
Trump orders US troop reduction in Germany — report – DW – 06/05/2020

Not a single soldier moved by this order. The PotUS does not command the US military, the Pentagon does. And they have their own long term agenda.
The article treats it as both an order & a mere threat.
So it's unclear what actually happened. Anyway,
the troops in Germany would have no say in this.
 

lukethethird

unknown member
I would describe it as imperialism, not tribalism. Both bad of course.

Banding together, pounding the war drums, demonizing the so called enemy, God blessing America. That has happened my entire life, from Vietnam to the present, forever wars, and right now it continues with China. The USA is demonizing and provoking China to attack Taiwan, just as it demonized and provoked Russia to attack Ukraine. Same old same old.
 
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