Shari'ah and Afghanistan

[Rival]

I wasn't aware that Shari'ah law had been implemented in Turkey.

Turkey is a basketcase atm.

 

[viole]

And I am sure that there are Muslims and Christians on here who can say that the Taliban implementation of Islamic Law is not the correct interpretation, but the fact is the Laws exist in the religious texts and some nutter will use them as justification, just as this Jew did.

Why nutters? They are just consistent, if that is what the Holy Texts contain.

Ciao

- viole

 

[Rival]

Why nutters? They are just consistent, if that is what the Holy Texts contain.

Ciao

- viole

So if the US law mandates the death penalty for a serial killer, does US law also recognise that a random civilian stabbing the serial killer is appropriate?

Because that's what people are arguing here. It's infantile.

It's like you guys don't know that these laws require court systems and not just random acts of violence.

 

[Justanatheist]

Why nutters? They are just consistent, if that is what the Holy Texts contain.

Ciao

- viole

I use the phrase entirely subjectively, in my opinion anyone who kills because he says god wills it is a religious nutter. I do not believe in a god, but I am pretty sure if one did exist he/she/it would not be asking anyone to kill anyone for them and if it did it would not be a god worth following.

 

[Debater Slayer]

Why nutters? They are just consistent, if that is what the Holy Texts contain.

Ciao

- viole

Except that 1) the texts rarely ever contain direct injunctions to, for example, shoot women for "offenses" like wearing tight clothing as the Taliban have done, and 2) your statement implies believers who don't engage in violence are inconsistent, which strikes me as a dangerously reckless implication that plays into the hands of extremists.

 

[Justanatheist]

So if the US law mandates the death penalty for a serial killer, does US law also recognise that a random civilian stabbing the serial killer is appropriate?

Because that's what people are arguing here. It's infantile.

It's like you guys don't know that these laws require court systems and not just random acts of violence.

No because if you had enough of those people running Israel they would be stoning gays to death just as the Torah tells them to. In Afghanistan you have enough of the nutters to impose what they believe is gods law.

 

[Rival]

No because if you had enough of those people running Israel they would be stoning gays to death just as the Torah tells them to. In Afghanistan you have enough of the nutters to impose what they believe is gods law.

You need to go back and read the list of evidences required for the death penalty.

 

[viole]

So if the US law mandates the death penalty for a serial killer, does US law also recognise that a random civilian stabbing the serial killer is appropriate?

Because that's what people are arguing here. It's infantile.

It's like you guys don't know that these laws require court systems and not just random acts of violence.

If somebody works on Saturday then she should be stoned to death. Same if she commits adultery. That is what God commands. Black on white on God's inspired Good book.

I personally do not see a big difference in the general morality if an appointed judge orders appointed officers to stone the girl to death, or if that is done by a fanatic mob. Do you? Or do you insist in the use of state approved, certified execution stones?

Ciao

- viole

 

[Debater Slayer]

Which version of Shari'ah is the closest to the teaching of Muhamnad and the Qur'an?

I wasn't aware that Shari'ah law had been implemented in Turkey.

Shari'a is the body of Islamic teachings concerning different aspects of life, ranging from how to make ablution and when to pray all the way to matters of marriage, divorce, and finances. In that sense, yes, Turkey employs Shari'a just like any other Muslim country is bound to; it just doesn't often involve religion in state law as part of employing Shari'a. How it employs Shari'a is drastically different from how Iran or Saudi Arabia does, though.

I can't comment on which version of Shari'a is the "closest to the teaching of Muhammad and the Qur'an," since even the most renowned Islamic scholars and imams haven't agreed on this. What I can say, however, is that there is so much diversity in interpretations and understanding of Shari'a that pointing to any one interpretation as the only correct or acceptable one is more than a little simplistic. It is what many religious and anti-religious extremists alike do in order to justify their prejudices.

 

[Justanatheist]

You need to go back and read the list of evidences required for the death penalty.

No I don't, Jews and Christians need to remove laws that suggest it is ok to kill gays or adulterous women from their religious texts. Or stop pretending that Islam is any different to their religion.

 

[Rival]

If somebody work on Saturday then she should be stoned to death. Same if she commits adultery. That is what God commands. Black on white on God's inspired Good book.

I personally do not see a big difference in the general morality if an appointed judge orders appointed officers to stone the girl to death, or if that is done by a fanatic mob. Do you?

Ciao

- viole

I do.

 

[Rival]

No I don't, Jews and Christians need to remove laws that suggest it is ok to kill gays or adulterous women from their religious texts. Or stop pretending that Islam is any different to their religion.

You just want the texts to conform with your modern moral mores. That's not how this works.

 

[viole]

I do.

Howso? Do you approve the stoning to death of people working on Saturday?

Ciao

- viole

 

[Rival]

Howso?

Ciao

- viole

One went through the right legal channels and evidence, and the other didn't.

But that's not your issue here, is it? Your issue is that you don't believe anyone should be stoned for breaking Shabbat and won't be happy until everyone agrees.

We don't agree.

 

[viole]

One went through the right legal channels and evidence, and the other didn't.

But that's not your issue here, is it? Your issue is that you don't believe anyone should be stoned for breaking Shabbat and won't be happy until everyone agrees.

We don't agree.

So, you agree people should be stoned to death, after a formal trial and with the use of certified stones, if they work on Saturday?

Ciao

- viole

 

[Justanatheist]

You just want the texts to conform with your modern moral mores.

Correct that is because I live in the 21st centaury and have access to far better knowledge than the men who wrote those books, just as a modern doctor uses modern text books.

That's not how this works.

It is exactly how the world works in almost everything but religion.

 

[Shakeel]

You're not going to change my mind. I fully believe the Jewish and Christian laws are better.

I fully believe you have no idea what those are.

 

[Rival]

I fully believe you have no idea what those are.

Lol.

 

[Shakeel]

Why are Muslims wanting to leave for the West when the ideal of Islamic law is about to be implemented?

The Taliban do not implement sharia properly.

should be seen as a honest attempt to demonstrate the Muslim way of life.

I think this should be seen as very obvious trolling.

 

[Shakeel]

your statement implies believers who don't engage in violence are inconsistent, which strikes me as a dangerously reckles

Believers who deny the capital punishment (and other punishments) for the crimes mentioned in their religion are inconsistent. They don't have to want to excecute the punishment - they have to believe it is the command of their God and they cannot object to it.