Sharing an observation about atheism here on RF

[atanu]

No, it was a statement of fact.
Atheism is not a claim.

This itself is a claim.

 

[Bunyip]

This itself is a claim.

LOL. Anything to say at a deeper level than an ad hoc English lesson?

 

[Kirran]

Not a presupposition, just experience. It works, after all.

Well it works, but that doesn't mean it is not a belief. I don't see how it can be experience.

 

[Desert Snake]

No, it was a statement of fact.
Atheism is not a claim.

Then it isn't the ''opposite'', of theism.

 

[Bunyip]

Then it isn't the ''opposite'', of theism.

Correct, it is the default of theism - not the opposite.

 

[Desert Snake]

Correct, it is the default of theism - not the opposite.

It isn't the ''default'', of theism, it is non-theism. It's actually, unrelated to theism in any sense besides being not theism. Theoretically it could be called anything.

It's like saying 'not cake', is the default of cake. Well, no, it isn't. It's just not cake.

 

[Kirran]

Correct, it is the default of theism - not the opposite.

True enough. The issue comes due to atheism also being used to refer to a particular worldview (scientific materialism) as often as just a lack of theism.

 

[Bunyip]

True enough. The issue comes due to atheism also being used to refer to a particular worldview (scientific materialism) as often as just a lack of theism.

Yes, it's a pity believers keep doing that. I assume that it happens because they believe 'scientific materialism' is somehow easier to attack.

 

[Bunyip]

It isn't the ''default'', of theism, it is non-theism. It's actually, unrelated to theism in any sense besides being not theism. Theoretically it could be called anything.

It's like saying 'not cake', is the default of cake. Well, no, it isn't. It's just not cake.

No, it's like saying that not having any cake is the default of having some cake - which of course it is.

 

[Kirran]

Yes, it's a pity believers keep doing that. I assume that it happens because they believe 'scientific materialism' is somehow easier to attack.

That is upheld as the worldview of most irreligious atheists one comes across. So one can see whence comes the confusion.

 

[Bunyip]

That is upheld as the worldview of most irreligious atheists one comes across. So one can see whence comes the confusion.

LOL. Really?

It's not 'confusion', it's a diversion.

I think that you will find that in the worldview of most atheists chocolate is nice. Which of course does not mean that there is a relationship.

 

[psychoslice]

I suppose you would expect that on a religious forum, if it was a atheist forum, then it would be the other way around.

 

[Deathbydefault]

Theist or atheist, it's pathetic to purposefully misrepresent a belief because it makes more sense your way.
Atheism is not materialism, it's not satanic worship, it isn't nihilistic, etc etc.

I don't mind explaining it to people who actually care to know.
But then there's 'those people' whom think their personal view is correct for some reason.

 

[Deathbydefault]

I suppose you would expect that on a religious forum, if it was a atheist forum, then it would be the other way around.

Lol, I think there are quite a large number of atheists here.
There are quite a few atheists on the internet overall, as it's something of a safe place.
The more intelligent ones, as are found here, don't take crap from people either.
It can be funny, to say the least

 

[psychoslice]

Theist or atheist, it's pathetic to purposefully misrepresent a belief because it makes more sense your way.
Atheism is not materialism, it's not satanic worship, it isn't nihilistic, etc etc.

I don't mind explaining it to people who actually care to know.
But then there's 'those people' whom think their personal view is correct for some reason.

The Christians were once called the rabble, the uneducated, they believed in anything they were told, and nothing much has changed.

 

[Deathbydefault]

The Christians were once called the rabble, the uneducated, they believed in anything they were told, and nothing much has changed.

Come now, there are a good few smart ones (though they are disproportionate).
Take lei for example, he's proven himself to be educated and logically consistent with the majority of his posts.

 

[psychoslice]

Come now, there are a good few smart ones (though they are disproportionate).
Take lei for example, he's proven himself to be educated and logically consistent with the majority of his posts.

Well there are the few I suppose ?.

 

[Deathbydefault]

Well there are the few I suppose ?.

indeed

 

[Kirran]

Theist or atheist, it's pathetic to purposefully misrepresent a belief because it makes more sense your way.
Atheism is not materialism, it's not satanic worship, it isn't nihilistic, etc etc.

I don't mind explaining it to people who actually care to know.
But then there's 'those people' whom think their personal view is correct for some reason.

I hope it doesn't come across as me trying to do that. That isn't my intention.

 

[Kirran]

LOL. Really?

It's not 'confusion', it's a diversion.

I think that you will find that in the worldview of most atheists chocolate is nice. Which of course does not mean that there is a relationship.

Hard to be a theistic scientific materialist, I'd say, although I take your point.