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Shi'a-Sunni war: which side would America take?

MD

qualiaphile
It seems pretty likely that the chaos in the Middle East is spreading everywhere and we are starting to see the beginnings of a hot war between Shi'a backed Iranian factions and Sunni backed Saudi factions.

In the event that this war becomes a full blown out civil war within the Muslim world, which side do you think America should take?
 

columbus

yawn <ignore> yawn
It seems pretty likely that the chaos in the Middle East is spreading everywhere and we are starting to see the beginnings of a hot war between Shi'a backed Iranian factions and Sunni backed Saudi factions.

In the event that this war becomes a full blown out civil war within the Muslim world, which side do you think America should take?
I can't imagine the USA willingly taking a side. I certainly don't see any winning bet there.

One little part of me though, would like to see a flare up where they take out each others petroleum production for awhile. I'd like it if that happened.

Tom
 

Aamer

Truth Seeker
If two homeless crack addicts are fighting in the street... Whose side would you take? Or would you just let the crackheads fight and stay out of it?
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
Which side?

Hmm.. the one with more oil maybe?
As I recall, Iran had more oil reserves than Iraq, but Americastan took the latter's side in that war, supplying them with chemical & bio WMDs. Today, Iran still bests Iraq in this area. The whole oil conspiracy explanation of US motives for war just doesn't fly when we examine the sides we take, & the gains we make. I blame it on over-emotional irrational political bickering by incompetent pandering charlatans in DC. Btw, this isn't a conspiracy, because they openly display these traits/motivations.
 

MD

qualiaphile
As I recall, Iran had more oil reserves than Iraq, but Americastan took the latter's side in that war, supplying them with chemical & bio WMDs. Today, Iran still bests Iraq in this area. The whole oil conspiracy explanation of US motives for war just doesn't fly when we examine the sides we take, & the gains we make. I blame it on over-emotional irrational political bickering by incompetent pandering charlatans in DC. Btw, this isn't a conspiracy, because they openly display these traits/motivations.

A lot of unecessary deaths for incompetent emotional politicians who should be jailed for war crimes.

I blame America almost as much as I blame Islam for what's happening there. The destruction of the secular institutions in conjunction with the support of extremist regimes who have trillions of petro dollars have given rise to bigger and bigger jihadist armies who conduct genocides more frequently.

It seems that American politicians aren't that different from these genocidal maniacs.
 

Smart_Guy

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Premium Member
As I recall, Iran had more oil reserves than Iraq, but Americastan took the latter's side in that war, supplying them with chemical & bio WMDs. Today, Iran still bests Iraq in this area. The whole oil conspiracy explanation of US motives for war just doesn't fly when we examine the sides we take, & the gains we make. I blame it on over-emotional irrational political bickering by incompetent pandering charlatans in DC. Btw, this isn't a conspiracy, because they openly display these traits/motivations.

I sorry, I didn't mean to be rude :(
 

Matemkar

Active Member
There is no sunni-shia war. Yet, that is the expectation of Islam haters.

Check North African countries (Tunusia, Libya, etc.) for example, and you will see that there are no shia Muslims there but there has been fights among the nations.

And the USA takes the side of subserviant "governments", "rebels", etc. regardless of their "denominations" of "Islam".

The aim is to topple and destroy any free countries and install and have as many as subserviant regimes.

What the USA regime should do however is to mind their own business and take care of the problems of their own nation instead.

And if it keeps interfering the region again and again, I am sure, sadly, it will backfire.
 
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nazz

Doubting Thomas
It seems pretty likely that the chaos in the Middle East is spreading everywhere and we are starting to see the beginnings of a hot war between Shi'a backed Iranian factions and Sunni backed Saudi factions.

In the event that this war becomes a full blown out civil war within the Muslim world, which side do you think America should take?
neither
 

Maldini

Active Member
If America had any decency, they would take the side of people who are suffering form lack of freedom in these countries.
 

Sariel

Heretic
If only the CIA and Mi6 didn't sabotage Mohammad Mosaddegh, I wonder how different the middle east could have been instead :(
 

LuisDantas

Aura of atheification
Premium Member
Deciding which side to take on a military confrontation between Shia and Sunni is just as acceptable as deciding which side to take in a confrontation between France and Germany, or Catholicism and Eastern Orthodoxy.

Which is to say, not a notion to be considered seriously in the first place.
 
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ShivaFan

Satyameva Jayate
Premium Member
Uuuuuuhggggg....

Ok, I am an American. But there is a problem with the premise "Which side" and "America.."

Here is the problem. Define what is meant by "America". Because as far as the American people, there is diversity in opinion on this question, there are also many Americans who are very ignorant regarding what is Sunni and Shia. Once there was a time when Americans did not have a good or bad opinion regarding Islam, in fact many had a "Lawrence of Arabia" romantic vision of Islam and some were interested even in becoming Muslim, surprisingly more than is imagined and certainly more than today who might want to go join ISIS which is a tiny, tiny lot indeed.

But that was then, not now, and things started to change in the 1970s with Islamic terrorism, until today I would say the majority of Americans today hate the Islamic extremists and terrorists and have suspicions about Islam. In the past most Americans never thought about Islam much if at all beyond the romantic visions of Islam I already explained. But after so many terrorist attacks, hearing "Death to America" 24x7, yes the extremists finally got the lazy attention of Americans, and actually it was pretty stupid of the jihadees. Because, they have the attention of Americans now, and Americans can be very violent indeed, many are natural born killers and cowboys and indians, if they start coming to really kill you they will, first will come smoke, then the locusts will spray death guns into the smoke, killers jump out of death machines into the smoke as machine CIRCLE around and will kill left, right, then retreat because next will come the fire and burning. After Custer's last stand they adopted the Apache Way. Others do not understand that. Old Southern white men with gray hair look at maps, but on the field the real orders come over the air in America Indian languages no one can understand but those on the channels, then the locusts move.

Real dumb, the Islamic terrorists. Actually, Islam could have been a natural partner with many Americans. Think of the Right-Wing - the same Hollywood that the Right hates is the same Hollywood the Islamic world hates for trying to turn their sons into junkies and their daughters into whores.

But the Islamic terrorists attacked the Right-Wing. Real stupid.

So what "America" will do, as far as taking sides - it all depends, it can change at any moment. Like I said, I do not speak for whatever this "America" is that is referenced in the OP. But I think I can clarify the HERE AND NOW which can change tomorrow. Even the current government is largely aligned with what is my opinion, and which is a good part of this "America" you ask about. But keep in mind, there is no one opinion in America, no way.

For one, there was an allusiun to "Saudi Sunni" verse (non-Saudi?) Shia. NO. Wrong. Wrong, not the American view.

Right away, I project "Saudi" as perhaps the OP meaning the Royal Family. I have a big, big problem with Sunni ISIS mass murderers. THEY ARE NOT THE SAUDI I THINK OF, and certainly NOT the Saudi Royalty and it doesn't matter if the Saudi Family is Sunni, these ISIS nutballs want to KILL the Saudi Royal Family, and I never support that.

Also, these ISIS lunatic cult is KILLING innocent Shia. I have a BIG problem with Iran trying to get the nuclear bomb, but... I support the Shia innocents being mass murdered by ISIS. So it is not surprising also, Iran wants to protect their Shia faithful. Yes Iran sponsors terrorism, but so did Stalin in WW2 but we worked with Stalin to help defeat the Nazis who were like ISIS. So I am ready, very carefully, with verification, to work with Iran.

So that is my view. Not all of America, but not a minority. We are now looking at ISIS - and American soldiers are coming. This is NOT America taking "sides" in any Sunni Shia war even though that may be a reality.

It is about other things.

One day America and Islam will be partners who can work together. As odd or strange as this sounds to you or others, you are now seeing the beginnings of this happen, and the world becoming even smaller still. Islamic terrorism, the jihadees will be defeated.

Time will prove that.
 

Looncall

Well-Known Member
There is no sunni-shia war. Yet, that is the expectation of Islam haters.

Check North African countries (Tunusia, Libya, etc.) for example, and you will see that there are no shia Muslims there but there has been fights among the nations.

And the USA takes the side of subserviant "governments", "rebels", etc. regardless of their "denominations" of "Islam".

The aim is to topple and destroy any free countries and install and have as many as subserviant regimes.

What the USA regime should do however is to mind their own business and take care of the problems of their own nation instead.

And if it keeps interfering the region again and again, I am sure, sadly, it will backfire.

I tend to agree with you. I suspect that the best thing to do would be to build a wall around the whole area and check back in a few decades after the dust settles. At least the rot wouldn't spread to the rest of the world so fast.
 

Unification

Well-Known Member
A lot of unecessary deaths for incompetent emotional politicians who should be jailed for war crimes.

I blame America almost as much as I blame Islam for what's happening there. The destruction of the secular institutions in conjunction with the support of extremist regimes who have trillions of petro dollars have given rise to bigger and bigger jihadist armies who conduct genocides more frequently.

It seems that American politicians aren't that different from these genocidal maniacs.

Well said.
The battle is spiritual and within a human, nothing holy about land, humans' are the value, the sword is the "word."
Those living like animals, in any country, are going to have much regret.
 

Servant_of_the_One1

Well-Known Member
In Iraq the Americans see Shias as allies(intruth puppets). So in Iraq they prefer the shias.
In Syria this is tricky for the Americans.
You got Nusrah and Isis on one side, and Assad/Hezbullah/Iran on other side.
I think Assad/hezbullah/iran are prepared to work with usa or atleast sign agreement with them.
 

GoodbyeDave

Well-Known Member
How many of the terrorists who have attacked, or tried to attack, the West are Shia? None, as far as I know. Al-Qaeda, Boko Haram, Al-Shebab, Daish — all Sunni. The Shia don't do jihad because they've usually been on the receiving end.

Why does the US tend to back the Suunis? Partly a legacy from the days when they depended on Saudi oil, partly because it's mostly Shia groups who stand up to Israel.
 
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