Shiv Ling??

[Riverwolf]

I think u dont understand English, look at my text i said that we use the carpet for prayer, as we use the bed to sleep, How idiocy ur thinking is? We can even pray without the carpet,

Then it is no different than the idols, for we use them for the exact same thing.

 

[Riverwolf]

Allah says in the Holy Quran,

The deff, the dumb and the blind will not return to the right path, I pray to Almighty Allah to show you all the Right Path.

He has: the Path of Selfless Service.

 

[nameless]

Zakir Naik is interpreting the meaning and getting claps from the crowd, then u come with the right meaning and contact irf.net and proceed ur dialogue, Brother, if you want to say somebody is wrong you need to have the right thing with proof, without having a proof in your hand and simply telling Zakir naik is a liar liar is meaningless. he gave everything with meaning and reference quotation.

zakir naik is a terrorist.

In November 2008, a fatwa was issued against Zakir Naik by Islamic scholars in Lucknow India for supporting Osama Bin Laden and glorifying Yazeed, the 'killer' of Imam Hussain, a prominent figure in Shia Islam. [29] Lucknow's shahar qazi Mufti Abul Irfan Mian Firangi Mahali described Naik as a kafir (non-Muslim) in his fatwa, which states he should be ex-communicated from Islam.

u supporter of osama bin laden?

 

[ihsan_pno]

U dont have any understanding of the religion you are talking about.Your friend Zakir Naik himself is too juvenile to understand Hinduism/Buddhism

They use shiv ling for prayer,just as you use carpet.

You are using Islam to understand Dharmic religions ,which itself is foolish.

Similarly,Hindus/Buddhist can pray without the idols.

Then it is no different than the idols, for we use them for the exact same thing.

Hello Brother,

I said you that we dont worship carpet and we use for prayer as a mat, ok For that u said, even hindus use the Shiv Ling idol for worship, we are standing on the carpet, that shows that we are not worshiping that, which Idol worshiper will stand on the IDOLS??? and some people says that we Worship Kaaba in Saudi Arabia, During the time of Prophet Muhammed Sal, perople use to stand on the KAABA and give ADHAN (Call for prayers), again which IDOL worshiper will stand on the IDOLS?

 

[Metempsychosis]

Hello Brother,

I said you that we dont worship carpet and we use for prayer as a mat, ok For that u said, even hindus use the Shiv Ling idol for worship, we are standing on the carpet, that shows that we are not worshiping that, which Idol worshiper will stand on the IDOLS??? and some people says that we Worship Kaaba in Saudi Arabia, During the time of Prophet Muhammed Sal, perople use to stand on the KAABA and give ADHAN (Call for prayers), again which IDOL worshiper will stand on the IDOLS?

But,If I p*ss on quran ,will you like it?Do you worship Quran ?

You also burn embassies,when Mohammad is depicted in paper.SO you worship Mohammad right?

But then which carpet worshiper will accept this.

Zakir naik is funded by petro dollars to propogate this Islam in the world. He has ammased lot of wealth in Mumbai and runs schools for indoctination into wahabbhi islam. He is also close to taliban and his interviews in UAE he mentioned that in an Islamic society there is no room for other religions. There will be no freedom of religion if Islam is in a majority as islam is the only truth. In a minority community however they dont mind talking to other religions. His teacher was the foul mouthed Ahmed Deedat, who spent his whole life abusing other religions. He finally got a paralytic stroke and was bed ridden like a vegetable for 10 years before his death.

 

[Kerr]

Hello Brother,

I said you that we dont worship carpet and we use for prayer as a mat, ok For that u said, even hindus use the Shiv Ling idol for worship, we are standing on the carpet, that shows that we are not worshiping that, which Idol worshiper will stand on the IDOLS??? and some people says that we Worship Kaaba in Saudi Arabia, During the time of Prophet Muhammed Sal, perople use to stand on the KAABA and give ADHAN (Call for prayers), again which IDOL worshiper will stand on the IDOLS?

While I am well aware that you are not worshipping the carpet, saying that you do is a good illustration of the kind of understanding you have of idol worship. Basically, that you don´t understand it.

 

[Riverwolf]

Hello Brother,

I said you that we dont worship carpet and we use for prayer as a mat, ok For that u said, even hindus use the Shiv Ling idol for worship, we are standing on the carpet, that shows that we are not worshiping that, which Idol worshiper will stand on the IDOLS??? and some people says that we Worship Kaaba in Saudi Arabia, During the time of Prophet Muhammed Sal, perople use to stand on the KAABA and give ADHAN (Call for prayers), again which IDOL worshiper will stand on the IDOLS?

Nobody, since Hindus aren't idol worshipers.

Besides, people don't stand on the Kabba anymore, do they? It doesn't matter whether or not it's stood upon; the point is that Muslims pray in its direction, and it's required that every Muslim make a pilgrimage to Mecca at least once in their lives. This practice is NO DIFFERENT than Hindus praying in the directions of murthis.

And BTW, I use pictures since I can't afford statuettes. It is okay to throw them away when I no longer need them.

 

[Riverwolf]

While I am well aware that you are not worshipping the carpet, saying that you do is a good illustration of the kind of understanding you have of idol worship. Basically, that you don´t understand it.

And never will, it seems.

Well, nothing we can do about it.

"As for the Disbelievers, Whether thou warn them or thou warn them not it is all one for them; they believe not." (2:6)

 

[Mr Cheese]

The origin of Idol is useless.Shiv ling represents the reproductive organ of Shiva.LOL.

It is of no use if know the philosophy behind that.It is represents formless God like allah.The pleasure of sex is probably a tiny reflection of Shiva and divine force called Sakthi.

not read the thread
just adding an opinion

thwe shiva ling is indeed the penis

Shiva is the divine penis...

the worship is of course centered for divine union
the union of all opposites
to reach a state of transcendance...
to reach that formless

through the vbehicle of things such as the spinal kundalini I would imagine

 

[Mr Cheese]

Can't be done.

To the eyes of a Hindu, Allah is but another aspect of the Supreme Reality.

The you need to study Islam better

Allah is actually the name given for the supreme reality
at least when you dig deep enough into islam itself....

although this is a thinly veiled thread that falls under the I have a bigger stick argument:

I have the biggest stick
That means you are inferior
No matter what you say or do or are
I have a bigger stick
That means you are inferior

End Argument

 

[Riverwolf]

The you need to study Islam better

Allah is actually the name given for the supreme reality
at least when you dig deep enough into islam itself....

although this is a thinly veiled thread that falls under the I have a bigger stick argument:

I have the biggest stick
That means you are inferior
No matter what you say or do or are
I have a bigger stick
That means you are inferior

End Argument

Most religious fanatics think like that.

Maybe I should clarify: to MY eyes, Allah as the personal God who gave the Qur'an is but another aspect of the Supreme Reality, which NO RELIGION has a monopoly on, not even Hindu religions. Shiva is another aspect, as is Vishnu, as well as Shakti. As is YHWH (for Judaism) and Jehovah (for Christianity).

 

[Mr Cheese]

too many idols and funny rituals of course can make you turn Berty Basset...

beware the man that does things by rote
Unquestioned repeated ritual, to the point of worship of the ritual
leads to insanity

and pyramid hats

 

[Riverwolf]

too many idols and funny rituals of course can make you turn Berty Basset...

beware the man that does things by rote
Unquestioned repeated ritual, to the point of worship of the ritual
leads to insanity

Oh, there's no doubt about that, especially when we think that there's external forces greater than us reacting to the rituals.

Superstition is, indeed, very dangerous, to others and to the self.

 

[Mr Cheese]

Most religious fanatics think like that.

Maybe I should clarify: to MY eyes, Allah as the personal God who gave the Qur'an is but another aspect of the Supreme Reality, which NO RELIGION has a monopoly on, not even Hindu religions. Shiva is another aspect, as is Vishnu, as well as Shakti. As is YHWH (for Judaism) and Jehovah (for Christianity).

ah but it was the Angel Gabriel that revealed the quran...not Allah

but I understand fully what you ae saying....

In Islam, Allah is the ineffible, supreme reality

Indeed the statement that "there is no God but Allah"
is interpretted by the Sufi for example to mean:
"There is nothing but God" essentially

We see with Islam that has its roots in (amongst other things)
Persian ("Gnostic") strands...(Zoroastrianism etc) that there is an
empahsis on the transcendant, ineffible form of God
this is the ultimate reality found in most paths, that as you say is the property of no one group....

Islam, arguably asserts that this is the nature of God more so than Judaism and Christianity.....but for your average online Muslim, this manifests in proclaiming that Allah is best.....

Because God has no stick, yet he has every single stick that has ever been made.

“All life is just a progression toward, and then a recession from, one phrase
— I love you.”

–F Scott Fitzgerald

 

[Metempsychosis]

to reach a state of transcendance...
to reach that formless

But not at the cost of immanence.The biggest mistake in Abrahamic/Monothesitic concept of God is their focus on transcendence without emphasizing immanence.

Their creator seems to stay far far away ,completely separated from creation.A fanaticism of transcendence that runs high in Muslims.

Thats the reason,why threads like these are created .

Look at this:

Thats y i am trying to convey that Allah is different and the only one lord who is worthy of worship

This is millionth time I have a Muslim post such a monumentally stupid comment.

 

[Riverwolf]

ah but it was the Angel Gabriel that revealed the quran...not Allah

but I understand fully what you ae saying....

In Islam, Allah is the ineffible, supreme reality

Indeed the statement that "there is no God but Allah"
is interpretted by the Sufi for example to mean:
"There is nothing but God" essentially

We see with Islam that has its roots in (amongst other things)
Persian ("Gnostic") strands...(Zoroastrianism etc) that there is an
empahsis on the transcendant, ineffible form of God
this is the ultimate reality found in most paths, that as you say is the property of no one group....

Islam, arguably asserts that this is the nature of God more so than Judaism and Christianity.....but for your average online Muslim, this manifests in proclaiming that Allah is best.....

Because God has no stick, yet he has every single stick that has ever been made.

“All life is just a progression toward, and then a recession from, one phrase
— I love you.”

–F Scott Fitzgerald

I believe the Supreme Reality to be both imminent and transcendent. Allah, as viewed by orthodox Islam (apparently), represents a transcendent aspect, but not an imminent. I have heard Muslims say that Allah is not imminent.

 

[Metempsychosis]

I believe the Supreme Reality to be both imminent and transcendent. Allah, as viewed by orthodox Islam (apparently), represents a transcendent aspect, but not an imminent. I have heard Muslims say that Allah is not imminent.

Not exactly ,there is some immanence,Allah isn't completely transcendent as these fanatics believe.

Quran [50:16] We verily created man and We know what his soul whispereth to him, and We are nearer to him than his jugular vein.

TO God belongs the East and the West, Wheresoever you look is the face of God.-The Holy Qur'an 2:115
__________________

 

[Mr Cheese]

But not at the cost of immanence.The biggest mistake in Abrahamic/Monothesitic concept of God is their focus on transcendence without emphasizing immanence.

Their creator seems to stay far far away ,completely separated from creation.A fanaticism of transcendence that runs high in Muslims.

.

if you only look at the surface sure....

if one actally bothers to look a bit deeper this is not true

one I post often here, take the words of brother lawrence....
and see how your assertion is generalise piffle arguably...

The time of action does not differ at all from my time of prayer; I possess God as tranquilly in the bustle of my kitchen –where sometimes several people are asking me different things at one time—as if I was on my knees before the blessed sacrament…It is not necessary to have great things to do. I turn my little omelet in the pan for the love of God; when it is finished, if I have nothing to do, I prostrate myself on the ground and adore my God, who gave me the grace to make it, after which I rise, more content than a King. When I cannot do anything else, it is enough for me to have lifted a straw from the earth for the love of God.


--Brother Lawrence

In eternity there is indeed something true and sublime. But all these times and places and occasions are now and here. God himself culminates in the present moment, and will never be more divine in the lapse of all ages.
–Thoreau, “Walden“

Reflection for November 24, 2008: Nothing is hidden « Prayers and Reflections

 

[Riverwolf]

Not exactly ,there is some immanence,Allah isn't completely transcendence as these fanatics believe.

Quran [50:16] We verily created man and We know what his soul whispereth to him, and We are nearer to him than his jugular vein.

TO God belongs the East and the West, Wheresoever you look is the face of God.-The Holy Qur'an 2:115
__________________

I said viewed by orthodox Islam, not necessarily as Allah is "described" in the Qur'an.

 

[Metempsychosis]

if you only look at the surface sure....

if one actally bothers to look a bit deeper this is not true

Thats exactly the problem,u dont have to dig deep in Hinduism/Buddhism to learn that God is both "immanent and transcendent".And that creator is not different from creation.(but it is not the same too).Even a casual read is enough to learn this.

But this not the case with abrahamic concept of God.Time and again in history immanence have been frowned upon in Abrahamic religions.
Infact,I see Jesus was crucified just for a similar reason.He called himself GOD.Christianity unlike Judaism and Islam has quite open emphasis of immanence.

That said,Dharmic religions have a entirely different set of problems tough .

I said viewed by orthodox Islam, not necessarily as Allah is "described" in the Qur'an.

That is what I am pointing out.