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Should abortions require partner consent?

Ðanisty

Well-Known Member
Yes, the aspirin law is ludicrous. ;)

The woman should have final say as it is ultimately her burden. It should be the father's burden as well, but the sick fact is that he can walk away.

However, I feel that if a woman is unwilling to have an abortion when the father does not want the child, he should certainly have the right to deny any obligation to that child. That, in affect, gives him the same power to choose not to be a parent.
 

Ðanisty

Well-Known Member
It is sad that women have gotten to the point that they've gotten too, and I am disgusted by it and by them... but not so disgusted that I am ready to allow the government (which is just as sick and ugly) to stick its' neck into it. If anything, I would encourage men to choose better quality women, and not just go for the first piece of trash that bats her eyelashes.
I think it is sad that some women have to take things to this degree. I think it's sad that men have proven over and over again that they can't be trusted to take equal responsibility for the child. We protect ourselves this way. You think only tramps get abortions? Unfortunately, those are the women who decide to have the children when they can't take care of them! If there were more men with integrity and a sense of responsibility, there would be fewer women faced with the decision to abort. Women have to look out for themselves and the children. Men have the opportunity to walk away and many otherwise decent men do.
 

BUDDY

User of Aspercreme
jamaesi said:
An abortion is between a pregnant woman and her doctor.

No one else.
Don't you think though that a father has a right to know that the women is preganant though. Don't get me wrong, I do not believe that consent is necessary, but to be informed, I think, should be a right.
 

Quoth The Raven

Half Arsed Muse
In a perfect world, the concerned parties would sit down and thrash it out like grown ups. You can't make people act like adults, however.If a woman doesn't want to inform the father - for whatever reason - she'll find a way around it.
 

jamaesi

To Save A Lamb
Don't you think though that a father has a right to know that the women is preganant though. Don't get me wrong, I do not believe that consent is necessary, but to be informed, I think, should be a right.
When my ex-boyfriend got me pregnant and I told him so he stopped speaking to me and wouldn't help me out in the least no matter what I decided to do. What was the point of someone like that knowing? Not to mention, what if he had reacted violently to the news? He was abusive to me over other smaller things.

Do I honestly think that the father has a right to know anything?
NO.


If the woman wishes to inform the father, then good for her. If she doesn't, no one has any right to force her.
 

pdoel

Active Member
Quite simply, yes, I believe that abortion should require the partner's consent.

In this day and age, I think the woman has way too much power on these issues. Yes, I realize it's her body. But the child growing inside her also has a father.

If the father does not want to have the child but the woman does, after the birth she can (and most likely will) sue for child support. So the father who didn't want the child will have to pay.

If a man can be forced to be responsible for a child he did not want, then I think a woman should as well.
 

Ðanisty

Well-Known Member
If the father does not want to have the child but the woman does, after the birth she can (and most likely will) sue for child support. So the father who didn't want the child will have to pay.

If a man can be forced to be responsible for a child he did not want, then I think a woman should as well.
Why not turn it around...make it so that the father can waive all rights and responsibilites to any child he wanted aborted, but the mother did not? That way both mother and father have power rather than neither of them having power.
 

jamaesi

To Save A Lamb
It's terribly easy enough for the father to walk away. Child support is a very flawed system.

And, to echo the response told to so many women with unwanted pregnancies, perhaps he should have worn a condom?
 

pdoel

Active Member
jamaesi said:
It's terribly easy enough for the father to walk away. Child support is a very flawed system.

And, to echo the response told to so many women with unwanted pregnancies, perhaps he should have worn a condom?
I disagree. When it comes to child support, custody and alimony (in the case of divorce) the system definitely favors the woman.

I know of quite a few people who were divorced, and the guy pays so much in alimony / child support that he can't even support himself. The wife keeps the house, gets the kid, doesn't work, and the guy is working several jobs just to be able to afford an apartment near the ghetto.

I've known guys who couldn't even make the alimony/child support payments and ended up in jail because of it. Not cause he refused to pay, but simply because he couldn't.

Yes, the system is definitely flawed. But not in favor of the men.
 
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angellous_evangellous

Guest
Ceridwen018 said:
I was just thinking about this, Rex!

Not only does the woman not need their permission to have an abortion, but lets turn this around...what about a boyfriend who doesn't want a baby and doesn't want to have to pay child support. Should he have the ability to force her to get an abortion? (it is a lot of money, after all...)
NO.

If the state cannot come between a woman and her doctor, then no one can. A state cannot give power that it does not have.
 
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angellous_evangellous

Guest
mrscardero said:
When I found out that I was pregnant, I was happy and confused. I didn't know whether to tell cardero or not. I was planning on not telling him at all and just cut all ties and take care of the child my self. But then again I thought that he has every right to know that he has a child coming. When I told cardero, he asked me what my intentions are. We didn't have a home to raise the child in, we weren't married, we were not financially stable, and I was not in the best of health where carrying a child led to being bed ridden and not able to bring home money. Abortion came in to conversation, but I was lucky to get a chance to bare a child. My ex-husband and I tried for 5 years and no luck. Then I met cardero and a year and a half later, I was carrying his child. cardero mentioned giving up the baby, but I put in my two cents. I chose to keep the baby and if he didn't want any responsibility, I would have been fine with the help of family to raise the child. Yes, the male should have a say since he is the maker and I am the carrier, but I did what I felt was right. Ones we sat down to talk, things changed. cardero supported my decision.

Both should have a say on what should be done. But if the male doesn't want anything to do with the child and the mother does, the mother should have all rights. The mother will have to give up the right to get child support. The father will give up all the rights to the child of being a father.

If cardero chose not to be a father during the time, I would not have forced him to pay for child support or be a father since I chose to keep the child. Maybe I am wrong in the things that I am saying. My feelings are, what you chose, will change your life. What your child will grow up to be whether the child has a mother or a father, will be their chose. It's all about choises. Choosing the right and the wrong. But is there a right and wrong when a child is brought into this world whether the choise was made by the mother or the father?

There are people out there that choose to abort and regret it for the rest of their lives or until they are blessed with another child. The carrier will feel regret and question themselves. The maker may or may not because they do not know what it is like to carry a child. The feeling when a child moves inside the stomach. The anticipation. The moment and the day the child is born. The pain but pleasure of giving birth.

To solve the problem of whether to keep the child or not, wear protection or don't have sex at all. That way you don't have to worry about making any decisions.
This is beautiful. Thanks.
 

mr.guy

crapsack
angellous_evangellous said:
If the state cannot come between a woman and her doctor, then no one can. A state cannot give power that it does not have.
I agree. The quoted poster is in effect turning "pro-choice" squarely upon it's head. Dainisty's suggestion of fatherly emancipation might be better...still a toughy.
 
jamaesi said:
It's terribly easy enough for the father to walk away. Child support is a very flawed system.

And, to echo the response told to so many women with unwanted pregnancies, perhaps he should have worn a condom?
Yes it is terribly easy for fathers that don't have any backbone......but for fathers that have a since of legacy and wants to give many boons to there children are't allowed to by the same system, for it is nothing more then confusion on there part there blinded by there own laws, yes i'm male and willing to stand up for my children lost without fathers the kings in the lotus feet of the lord shall stand.....:tsk:
 
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angellous_evangellous

Guest
mr.guy said:
I agree. The quoted poster is in effect turning "pro-choice" squarely upon it's head. Dainisty's suggestion of fatherly emancipation might be better...still a toughy.
Perhaps it will be good for me to elaborate:

I'm a firm believer in pro-choice, but I'm not a fan of abortion. Abortion is a constitutional right, and no one, and I mean no one, should be allowed between a woman and her doctor as far as the law is concerned.

I think that women should consult with trusted friends about such a choice, especially the father. He can provide excellent support, be he can also be her worst nightmare. But the choice is in her hands and in her womb, for better or for worse.
 
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angellous_evangellous

Guest
Ðanisty said:
Yes, the aspirin law is ludicrous. ;)

The woman should have final say as it is ultimately her burden. It should be the father's burden as well, but the sick fact is that he can walk away.

However, I feel that if a woman is unwilling to have an abortion when the father does not want the child, he should certainly have the right to deny any obligation to that child. That, in affect, gives him the same power to choose not to be a parent.
The simple fact is that one cannot choose not to be a parent if a child is born. The father can't have a right to come between a woman and her doctor, so the final choice is completely the woman's. The baby is her body until the baby is born. Once the baby is born, there is no room for a man to skirt his responsibility if the woman can prove that the baby is his.
 

mr.guy

crapsack
Oops! Sorry angellous, when i said "quoted poster", i meant the poster you were replying to in your post. It just now occured to me how easily that could be confused as a referal to you; my mistake.
 
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angellous_evangellous

Guest
mr.guy said:
Oops! Sorry angellous, when i said "quoted poster", i meant the poster you were replying to in your post. It just now occured to me how easily that could be confused as a referal to you; my mistake.
I don't see your mistake. I just wanted to elaborate. :)
 
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