• Welcome to Religious Forums, a friendly forum to discuss all religions in a friendly surrounding.

    Your voice is missing! You will need to register to get access to the following site features:
    • Reply to discussions and create your own threads.
    • Our modern chat room. No add-ons or extensions required, just login and start chatting!
    • Access to private conversations with other members.

    We hope to see you as a part of our community soon!

Should All Christians Pay The Required Temple Tax?

Should Christians be paying the Jews Their Temple Tax?

  • Yes

    Votes: 2 33.3%
  • No

    Votes: 4 66.7%

  • Total voters
    6

Flavius

Member
In the Past at Solomon's Temple, The people went out and bought their sacrifices and gave them to the Priests to offer to the Lord.

The Temple of Ezekiel is much different.

The people no longer buy the sacrifices, nor do they have anything to do with the sacrifices.

It falls to the king alone to supply the Sacrifices.

It is the King's obligation alone.

The people merely pay a Temple Tax.

If you Believe Jesus is the King, Then he is in charge of supplying the Sacrifice.

Shouldn't all Christians be paying the Temple Tax now?

I seriously believe all Christians should pay about 5 dollars a month, and that they should come together with all churches to write a Check to the Jewish Temple planners.

Just because there is no Temple right Now doesn't mean the Temple Tax shouldn't be payed.

What do you think?
 

McBell

Unbound
In the Past at Solomon's Temple, The people went out and bought their sacrifices and gave them to the Priests to offer to the Lord.

The Temple of Ezekiel is much different.

The people no longer buy the sacrifices, nor do they have anything to do with the sacrifices.

It falls to the king alone to supply the Sacrifices.

It is the King's obligation alone.

The people merely pay a Temple Tax.

If you Believe Jesus is the King, Then he is in charge of supplying the Sacrifice.

Shouldn't all Christians be paying the Temple Tax now?

I seriously believe all Christians should pay about 5 dollars a month, and that they should come together with all churches to write a Check to the Jewish Temple planners.

Just because there is no Temple right Now doesn't mean the Temple Tax shouldn't be payed.

What do you think?

It takes all kinds.

If the Jewish Temple Planners are that hard up for money, perhaps they should try another line of work.
 

Flavius

Member
It takes all kinds.

If the Jewish Temple Planners are that hard up for money, perhaps they should try another line of work.
It has nothing to do with the Temple planners needing money.

It's whether or not you believe Jesus to be king of the Jews or not.

Paying the Temple Tax would show that you acknowledge Jesus to be the King and that you wish to fulfill what was written concerning the King in the future days.

Ezekiel's Temple is the Temple of Jesus, and to pay that Temple Tax fulfills the prophecy concerning that king of that Temple.
 

McBell

Unbound
It has nothing to do with the Temple planners needing money.

It's whether or not you believe Jesus to be king of the Jews or not.

Paying the Temple Tax would show that you acknowledge Jesus to be the King and that you wish to fulfill what was written concerning the King in the future days.

Ezekiel's Temple is the Temple of Jesus, and to pay that Temple Tax fulfills the prophecy concerning that king of that Temple.
And yet after 2000 years of not being paid...
 

Flavius

Member
I sincerely believe what all the prophets say about Israel in the Future.

They all tell us that the Kings of the Earth will gather the wealth of the world to bring it, and set it at the feet of the Jews.

That Ten men will grasp the sleeve of one Jew and say,'' We have heard God is with you, We will also go with you up to Jerusalem to worship the King.''

Consider what would happen if all Christian denominations decided just to pay a small Temple Tax every month.

It woulk only be a small price of 5 dollars a month from every christian but it would make it seem that the wealth of the world has come to Israel, and it would greatly further the relation between Jew and Christian.

It would greatly encourage the leaders of Israel and also make great strides in bringing Jew and christian together under one cause.

That cause is the cause of Jerusalem.

The prophets tell us that anyone who fights against Jerusalem will be killed in the end, that God is coming to fight anyone who is against Israel.

It would bring home a fear to the Palistinians trying to claim Jerusalem as their Capital if all Christians were united with the Jewish state in this cause.

Christianity would be saying outright,'' Jerusalem belongs to the Jews.''

This is the question that makes or breaks a person, '' The cause of Jerusalem, who does Jerusalem belong to.''

Maybe the United nations would think twice before they go after Israel trying to gether Jerusalem for the Muslim state.
 

Flavius

Member
Yes and that temple tax should be used to do something actually useful and productive.
Agreed.

See it doesn't matter really to us, I mean it shouldn't really matter.

We would be giving our money over to the King, That is if we believe in Jesus.

Why should we care if an actual sacrifice is made?

A sacrifice cannot be made without a Temple but if the Muslim world saw all christianity paying a Temple Tax, I believe they would back off a little from trying to gain Jerusalem for themselves.

Most struggles are fought with Mentalities instead of Guns, If so much wealth was gathered from the Christian world concerning a Temple in Jerusalem, Think about the change which might occur in the hearts of those who are trying to take Jerusalem from the Jews.
 

McBell

Unbound
Maybe you should consider that might be the problem, It goes unpaid.

Has the Kingdom come?

No.

Is there peace in the middle East?

No.
Fear mongering?

Wow.
How about you present the verse(s) from the New Testament that supports your idea of Christians having to pay the Temple Tax?

Seems to me that if it were really as important to fulfillment as you would like for us to believe, God would have mentioned it somewhere in the New Testament, right?
 

dawny0826

Mother Heathen
In the Past at Solomon's Temple, The people went out and bought their sacrifices and gave them to the Priests to offer to the Lord.

The Temple of Ezekiel is much different.

The people no longer buy the sacrifices, nor do they have anything to do with the sacrifices.

It falls to the king alone to supply the Sacrifices.

It is the King's obligation alone.

The people merely pay a Temple Tax.

If you Believe Jesus is the King, Then he is in charge of supplying the Sacrifice.

Shouldn't all Christians be paying the Temple Tax now?

I seriously believe all Christians should pay about 5 dollars a month, and that they should come together with all churches to write a Check to the Jewish Temple planners.

Just because there is no Temple right Now doesn't mean the Temple Tax shouldn't be payed.

What do you think?

I believe that Jesus Christ was the sacrifice, therefore ritual/temple sacrifices are no longer necessary. Many Christians do pay a temple tax of sorts. Christians are instructed to tithe. We're responsible for maintaining our churches.
 

Flavius

Member
Fear mongering?

Wow.
How about you present the verse(s) from the New Testament that supports your idea of Christians having to pay the Temple Tax?

Seems to me that if it were really as important to fulfillment as you would like for us to believe, God would have mentioned it somewhere in the New Testament, right?
Is that all you have to work with?

The New Testament?

What about all the prophecies of the Messiah in the Old Testament?

Ezekiel's Temple has never been built but yet we have all the prophesies concerning a King Messiah.

Are you one of those people who consider that everything is fulfilled in the Old Testament and therefor we shouldn't even look to the Messianic prophecies concerning a Messiah to come in Old Testament prophecy?

If so, I would beg to differ quoting all the Messianic prophecies concerning the King Messiah.
 

Smoke

Done here.
I seriously believe all Christians should pay about 5 dollars a month, and that they should come together with all churches to write a Check to the Jewish Temple planners.
In the Bible, tithes were paid to the kohanim, the Levites and the poor. If you'd like to revive the biblical practice, you should find some kohanim, Levites, and poor people to give your tithes to. Five dollars a month would be a tenth of your income if you make $50 a month.

As for the Temple planners, you do realize that the purpose of the Temple is to serve as a sacrificial center, right? Christian theology traditionally holds that animal sacrifice is no longer necessary or useful.
 

McBell

Unbound
Is that all you have to work with?

The New Testament?

What about all the prophecies of the Messiah in the Old Testament?

Ezekiel's Temple has never been built but yet we have all the prophesies concerning a King Messiah.

Are you one of those people who consider that everything is fulfilled in the Old Testament and therefor we shouldn't even look to the Messianic prophecies concerning a Messiah to come in Old Testament prophecy?

If so, I would beg to differ quoting all the Messianic prophecies concerning the King Messiah.
Interesting how you present absolutely nothing.
You did not present anything from the Old Testament OR the New Testament.

Just as I suspected.

You are merely blowing smoke out your arse.
 

Smoke

Done here.
I believe that Jesus Christ was the sacrifice, therefore ritual/temple sacrifices are no longer necessary.
Exactly. To advocate the rebuilding of the Temple is to say that Christ was not the sacrifice. It's not a position one expects Christians to take.
 

Flavius

Member
I believe that Jesus Christ was the sacrifice, therefore ritual/temple sacrifices are no longer necessary. Many Christians do pay a temple tax of sorts. Christians are instructed to tithe. We're responsible for maintaining our churches.
Nobody is insinuating that you should sacrifice, If you believe in Jesus, and that Jesus is the King of the future Temple, well then a Tax is paid to the king of that Temple.

I believe Jesus stood as being a sacrifice also.

But what does your tithes you pay to your church have to do with the Temple Tax?

The prophets say that the whole world will stream to the Temple in Jerusalem and that the law will go forth from Jerusalem unto the whole world.

What did the disciples do according to the Temple?

There were very many churches in the days of Paul, what did they pay their money torward?

Acts 6:1 Now in those days, when the number of disciples was multiplying, there arose a murmuring against the Hebrews by the Hellenists, Because their widows were neglected in the daily distribution.

Then the 12 summoned the multitude of disciples and said,'' It is not desirable that we should leave the word of God and serve table.

'' Therefore, Brethren, seek out from among you 7 men of good reputation, full of the Holy spirit and wisdom, who we may appoint over this business: But we will give ourselves continually to prayer and to the Ministry of the Lord.

Why are the disciples concerning themselves with the Temple law if the Temple law no longer mattered after Jesus was crucified, resurrected and went back to his place?

Why was paul so bent on fulfilling Temple law after Jesus had died, resurrected and went back to his place?

Acts 21:21 '' Speaking of Paul'' '' But they{The Jews} have been informed about you that you teach all Jews who are among the Gentiles to forsake Moses, saying that they ought not to circumcise their children nor to walk according to the customs.

''What then? The assembly must certainly meet, for they will hear that you have come. '' Therefore do what we tell you: We have 4 men who have taken a vow.
''Take them and be purified with them, and pay their expenses so that they may shave their heads, and that all may know that those things of which they were informed concerning you ARE NOTHING, BUT THAT YOU YOURSELF ALSO WALK ORDERLY AND KEEP THE LAW.

Why is Paul following Temple Law?

The gentiles didn't have to walk accordingly to all the law But the Gentiles went up to the Temple and stood in the gentile court as designed.

For 100 years after Jesus died, Gentiles went to the Temple with the Jews acknowledging that this is was God's chosen Holy place.

After the Temple was destroyed the gentiles went to the synogogues along with the Jews until 135 a.d when Rome was trying to seperate Gentile Christians from the Jews.

People pay tithes to all kinds of Places But that doesn't mean Much to Me.

Christians love to quote Malchi concerning tithes.

Malachi 3:8 '' Will a man rob God? Yet you have robbed me! But you say, '' In what way have we robbed you?'
In tithes and offerings. You are cursed with a curse, for you have robbed me, even this whole nation. Bring all the tithes into the storehouse, THAT THERE MAY BE FOOD IN MY HOUSE, and prove me now in this,'' Says the Lord of Hosts,'' If I will not open up for you the windows of heaven And pour out for you such blessing That there will not be room enough to recieve it.

People paid tithes to feed the widows, the Needy, so that God's house is seen as a place for the down trodden to eat.

I don't see much wrong with helping your preacher with certain things but there is no unity in these things, It lacks a combined unity under one flag, One cause.

If all the people of Christ were to unite under one cause, who could stand against us?

Indeed, who could stand against the God of Israel seeing all the people united under one cause.

It's as if there were a Democratic party and a Republican party but suddenly 200 other parties emerged which would seperate all people to many different causes.

Strike the shepherd and the sheep will be scattered upon every hill, valley and mountain.

But if all the sheep gathered together, It would be such an entity of power that no one could stand against.
 

Flavius

Member
In the Bible, tithes were paid to the kohanim, the Levites and the poor. If you'd like to revive the biblical practice, you should find some kohanim, Levites, and poor people to give your tithes to. Five dollars a month would be a tenth of your income if you make $50 a month.

As for the Temple planners, you do realize that the purpose of the Temple is to serve as a sacrificial center, right? Christian theology traditionally holds that animal sacrifice is no longer necessary or useful.
Who is this King?

Ezekiel 37:24 '' David my servant shall be King over them{Judah and Ephraim}, and they shall have one shepherd; They shall also walk in my judgments and observe my statutes, and do them. '' Then they shall dwell in the land that I have given to Jacob My servant, where your fathers dwelt; and they shall dwell there, they, their children, forever: and my servant David shall be their prince forever.
Don't look now but here goes a Temple built in Egypt and sacrifices being made and accepted in the future.

Isaiah 19:19 In that day there will be an alter to the Lord in the midst of the land of Egypt............Egypt will cry out to the Lord because of their oppressors, and he will send them a Savior{Who?} and a Mighty one, and he will deliver them.{A Messiah comes to Egypt to save Egyptians? What?}

Isaiah 19:21 Then the Lord will be Known to Egypt, and the Egyptians will know the Lord in that day, and will make sacrifice and offering: YES, They will make a vow to the Lord and perform it.

Do you know anything about the law smoke?

Acts 2124 '' Take them and be purified with them, and pay their expenses.''

These men were making a Nazerite vow found in Numbers 6.

This vow is made with a sacrifice!
Numbers 6:13 Now this is the law of the Nazirite: when the days of seperation are fulfilled, He shall be brought to the door of the Tabernacle of meeting ' and he shall present his offering to the Lord: One male lamb in it's first year without blemish as a burnt offering, one ewe lamb in it's first year without blemish AS A SIN OFFERING.

WHOOOOOAAAA! What in the Heck was Paul doing?

If you believe me to be so wrong, speak to Paul about it.

Sacrifices went on for 40 years after Jesus died.

Can you explain why Paul payed for the scarificed and was even purified by sacrifice?

Something must be wrong in somebodies thinking, Isaiah must have been wrong too.

But having shown you the truth, why do you seem so angry?
 

Smoke

Done here.
Can you explain why Paul payed for the scarificed and was even purified by sacrifice?
Sure. He was in hot water with the Jewish followers of Jesus and was trying to show that he had not chucked their scriptures and religion -- even though he really had.

But having shown you the truth, why do you seem so angry?
I don't know anything about you, so I couldn't begin to guess what it is about you that makes you imagine I'm angry.
 

Flavius

Member
Interesting how you present absolutely nothing.
You did not present anything from the Old Testament OR the New Testament.

Just as I suspected.

You are merely blowing smoke out your arse.
You certainly assume alot don't you?

I asked you a question for your sake, I have very many scriptures to back up what I am saying, But I try and be everything to everyman.

Many christians for some reason don't acknowledge scriptures from the Old Testament, and so I was seeing what you would accept.

You are a little too quick to judge.

I'm just a newbie, Let's begin again.

Hi, My name is Joel, It's very nice of you to reply to my thread, Thank you.

Please try and be patience with me, I'm not the smartest man around and I don't know you guys yet, Have I told you I loved you lately?
:rolleyes:
 
Top